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edge100
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I posted a WTB thread for a black paint Leica MP: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1498302

This morning I get a PM from a user named 'Medias':

HIM: "Hi Michael,

I have a used Leica MP 0.72x. Everything is absolutely smooth as can be. VF is bright and RF is contrasty and perfectly aligned. I've shot this since 2012 and it's been all over the world with me, but it's time for it to go to a new home as I am trying to purchase a Sony A7S II kit.

Cosmetically, the camera has some beautiful brassing on the film advance, on the top sides, and on the base plate. But (and this is important) there is no damage whatsoever to the brass; this is just lovely patina, that, IMHO, greatly enhances the look of the camera. This will only get better over time.

2200 USD including shipping to Canada.

I have a few feedback. Not that much but hopefully enough for you to purchase from me

http://www.thephotoforum.com/members/kaiku.161967/
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/member.php?m=411919

Looking forward to hearing back."

I ask for photos of the camera, and he sends them promptly via Imgur link (http://imgur.com/a/dls3s).

I'm *immediately* amazed because I used to have a BP MP with the SAME red Gordy strap (bought camera on FM in Oct 2013, sold locally in March 2016). So I go back to photos of my camera (see below).

SAME CAMERA.

This dude is trying to sell me back a camera I sold in 2016. So I think that maybe, by some chance, it ended up with 'Medias' from the person I sold it to (locally, remember). That doesn't make sense given his "owned since 2012" line, but it's possible.

So I ask him if he's the original owner and if the pics are recent. His response:

HIM: "Yes, I am the original owner and taken the photos with my iPhone 6 today."

Now I know it's a scam. The kicker? His photo of the MP is taken with the camera sitting on my dining room table, and I can clearly make out some of my other stuff ON the table with the camera.

I then confronted him with this evidence:

ME:
"Thanks.

Here are two photos of me holding the same camera with the same serial number (3006850) and red Gordy strap, taken in 2015 (my hand) and 2014 (next to beer).

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-p5xoJgYGK5akMwUy1tR0prcEE

I bought the camera from an FM listing on October 11, 2013. Also, the photos in the Imgur link you sent me (http://imgur.com/a/dls3s) were taken on my dining room table (I can see my empty napkin holder in the background of image #2).

Care to clarify?"

His response:

HIM: "Wow, I sent you the wrong photos. I probably ran across your post years ago when I was thinking about buying one used but purchased brand new instead."

I replied:

ME: "Can you send me pics of yours? The ones you took today with your iPhone 6?"

His response:

HIM: "The pics are taking ages to upload so will send them in a few minutes."

ME: "Can you please include a photo of the camera with this PM exchange clearly visible in the photo?

You know this looks REALLY bad, right?"


Suffice it to say, you should not buy *anything* from this joker. Not even good at scamming.





The camera I was told was his







My former MP (and my hand and orange jacket) in October, 2015







Another photo of my MP (and a yummy pint) in November, 2014




Jul 10, 2017 at 03:37 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Unbelievable!
Thanks for posting.



Jul 10, 2017 at 04:09 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Oh WOW!
Did you notify the admins on those websites that he's trying to scam people?



Jul 10, 2017 at 04:19 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Yup. Reported.


Jul 10, 2017 at 04:20 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Thanks for posting! You should report this to Fred, if you have not done so. He can then lock this guy's account. Not it will do much good as these crooks always manage to sign up using a different name anyway. One thing for sure, WTB threads solicit more scammers. So, buyer beware!


Jul 10, 2017 at 04:28 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


What are the chances you are buying back your own old gear...hehehehe....


Jul 10, 2017 at 04:31 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Zero. I gave him the rope to hang himself on by asking him if he was the first owner AND whether the pics were current.

He said "Yes" to both, and both are lies.



Jul 10, 2017 at 04:32 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


what are the chances??!

Hopefully Fred can track down an IP address and ban/report him.

Thanks for posting.



Jul 10, 2017 at 04:35 PM
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edge100 wrote:
Zero. I gave him the rope to hang himself on by asking him if he was the first owner AND whether the pics were current.

He said "Yes" to both, and both are lies.


Of course..... Hehehehe....



Jul 10, 2017 at 04:45 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Also, his line about "I must have come across your pics..." doesn't hold up either. I sold mine in 2016, and he allegedly bought his *new* in 2012. So why would he have been looking at pics of my used MP in 2016 when he was thinking of buying a new one in 2012?

Time traveler?



Jul 10, 2017 at 06:46 PM
 

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


It's almost comical!


Jul 12, 2017 at 07:57 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


He also applied to one of my WTB ads and it screamed scam. I looked at his posting history and he was using a different first name from past posts. I asked him about it and he never replied.

Edited on Jul 12, 2017 at 10:10 AM · View previous versions



Jul 12, 2017 at 08:34 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Good you stilll had pic of serial nummber


Jul 12, 2017 at 08:50 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


I just say wow! You have nailed him!
Thanks for a good laugh:-)

BTW, that was a beautiful baby that I used to have it, too.



Jul 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Wow- unbelievable! Thanks for posting!


Jul 12, 2017 at 01:24 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


I would have ceased any communications and inform the site admin.

its best to let the scammer figures out how he was caught in lieu of giving him a lesson learned to better to cover his scam the next time around... once a scammer; always a scammer!



Jul 12, 2017 at 02:11 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


tntcorp wrote:
I would have ceased any communications and inform the site admin.

its best to let the scammer figures out how he was caught in lieu of giving him a lesson learned to better to cover his scam the next time around... once a scammer; always a scammer!


I needed to confirm it *was* a scam. But in general, I agree.



Jul 12, 2017 at 02:14 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


what a jerk.



Jul 12, 2017 at 02:57 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Wow, what a joker!

I admit do enjoy watching such scammers backtracking and tap-dancing all over the place with the questions. What's also amazing is them knowing they got nailed, but STILL trying to push it with more lies. What hubris eh.

Nice catch, and thanks for sharing it with us, fellow Torontonian! :-D

AGeoJO wrote:
One thing for sure, WTB threads solicit more scammers. So, buyer beware!


Exactly! Whenever I see a 'WTB' ad, I just think they're sort pf placing a target on their heads for these types of parasitic scammers. It's like moths to a flame.

If anything, setting up some WTB ads could be a great way to catch a few of them in a 'sting', of sorts.



Jul 12, 2017 at 06:07 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · BEWARE OF SCAM (DETAILED POST)


Olivia Ruthie wrote:
BTW, that was a beautiful baby that I used to have it, too.


Uh-oh, Olivia I hope you don't have any pics online of yours, just in case, ya know.



Jul 12, 2017 at 06:10 PM
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