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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Should I get a 12mm?


Wondering if I should add a 12mm to my collection. Thinking it would be useful for Europe this Fall.

Currently have 18-55 and 35 f2. Took both to a 3 week Asia trip and was fine with it. Sometimes I wish i had wider but it wasn't crucial. Europe usually has much taller buildings so that's why i'm thinking 12mm. Thoughts?



Jul 09, 2017 at 02:31 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Should I get a 12mm?


I'd swap the 18-55 with a 10-24, and pair it with the 35mm

Gives you a wide range of focal lengths that will be useful for Europe, everything from ultra wide angle to a near normal 35mm equiv FoV, and then for those times when you want a bit of subject isolation, or lower light, you've got a 50mm equiv.

Plus the 35mm would be a breeze to put into your pocket while you have the 10-24 on the camera.

I like the 18-55, but I almost always shot it at the 18mm end, because the long end is just a bit slow for any sort of portraits and I have the 35 and 56. Once I got the 10-24 I didn't really touch the 18-55



Jul 09, 2017 at 03:12 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Should I get a 12mm?


Exposure101 wrote:
Wondering if I should add a 12mm to my collection. Thinking it would be useful for Europe this Fall.

Currently have 18-55 and 35 f2. Took both to a 3 week Asia trip and was fine with it. Sometimes I wish i had wider but it wasn't crucial. Europe usually has much taller buildings so that's why i'm thinking 12mm. Thoughts?


It depends on what you are trying to capture during your travel. by the sound of it 18-55 will cover most of your need. only you can decide whether you want to carry an extra set of lens and possibly 67mm filters.
personally for me, taller buildings means taking shots from afar as I don't like the wide-angle distorted view up close.


on our trip to Europe in May I brought with me the zeiss 12, XF 18mm and XF 50mm.

the XF 18mm was my main go to lens, with the XF 50mm in my pocket/bag.
the 12mm was used only 3-4 times, and even then it felt too wide for my taste and wished I brought the 18mm with me.




Jul 09, 2017 at 04:58 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Should I get a 12mm?


Good points. Forgot to mention that I generally like to keep it to 2 lenses maximum when traveling as I don't like to swap lenses too often. During the 3 week Asia trip, I used mainly the 18-55mm lens 60-70% and the 35mm 30-40%. I didn't take anything too wide. The 18-55mm was a bit heavy, great and versatile. The 35mm was fantastic- weight, size, and IQ.


Jul 09, 2017 at 06:04 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Should I get a 12mm?


millsart wrote:
I'd swap the 18-55 with a 10-24, and pair it with the 35mm


For travel, this is absolutely what I would do too, and I'm a (relatively) happy owner of the Zeiss 12/2.8. Great lens, but just too much weight and space in the bag to add on a trip, being a FOV I don't use that often. The Samyang/Rokinon 12 might be a better choice for travel, if you're really into that FOV.

But I'm also the same with lens swaps when traveling/walking a lot, so the zoom solves a lot of little issues.

BTW, on my first visit to NYC many years back, I found the (EFL) 18mm FOV to be not wide enough, but I'm sure it's fine for most of Europe.



Jul 09, 2017 at 11:16 AM
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Exposure101 wrote:
Good points. Forgot to mention that I generally like to keep it to 2 lenses maximum when traveling as I don't like to swap lenses too often. During the 3 week Asia trip, I used mainly the 18-55mm lens 60-70% and the 35mm 30-40%. I didn't take anything too wide. The 18-55mm was a bit heavy, great and versatile. The 35mm was fantastic- weight, size, and IQ.


The 18-55 is a great performer but size and weight is also the reason why I sold mine.
I still have the XC 16-50 for those times I want a light and versatile zoom lens but IQ is slightly below the 18-55.



Jul 09, 2017 at 01:00 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Should I get a 12mm?


Have you considered the 14mm? For me the 18-55 and 14 make a great travel combo. I shot with these two lenses on a trip to Andalusia (South Spain). The 14mm is ideal for small streets, inside buildings etc.. Moreover it has very little distortion and it is sharp.




Jul 09, 2017 at 06:40 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Should I get a 12mm?


I agree with everything you said.

lexvo wrote:
Have you considered the 14mm? For me the 18-55 and 14 make a great travel combo. I shot with these two lenses on a trip to Andalusia (South Spain). The 14mm is ideal for small streets, inside buildings etc.. Moreover it has very little distortion and it is sharp.





Jul 11, 2017 at 04:45 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Should I get a 12mm?


I've been to Europe twice in as many years and will be heading to London, Paris and possibly Germany in the fall.

I took my FF Canon with too many lenses. I took a 17-40 and a 24-70, plus another zoom and a couple of primes. I found I used the 24-70 much more than the 17-40 because of distortion issues. There were only a few times that I needed something wider than 24mm.

Given that, I suggest if you have to choose to keep down lens swapping, go with the 18-55 over the 10-24. I think it would be more versatile.



Jul 11, 2017 at 05:10 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Should I get a 12mm?


I'll look into the 14mm. Will be shooting in San Francisco to see how the 18-55mm fares. If it's good enough I won't need to buy a new lens. Really like the 35mm f2 for travel photos.

lexvo wrote:
Have you considered the 14mm? For me the 18-55 and 14 make a great travel combo. I shot with these two lenses on a trip to Andalusia (South Spain). The 14mm is ideal for small streets, inside buildings etc.. Moreover it has very little distortion and it is sharp.





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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Should I get a 12mm?


Actually took a 6d and 17-40mm to Europe (Switzerland, Germany, Austria, and France) back in 2014 and found it perfect! Light, wide, and took great pictures. I think a 6d w/17-40 weighs about the same as Fuji Xt2 w/18-55.

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I've been to Europe twice in as many years and will be heading to London, Paris and possibly Germany in the fall.

I took my FF Canon with too many lenses. I took a 17-40 and a 24-70, plus another zoom and a couple of primes. I found I used the 24-70 much more than the 17-40 because of distortion issues. There were only a few times that I needed something wider than 24mm.

Given that, I suggest if you have to choose to keep down lens swapping, go with the 18-55 over the 10-24. I think it would be more
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Jul 11, 2017 at 05:32 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Should I get a 12mm?


"problem" with the 14mm (its a fine lens overall) is that at least when I owned it, I was always swapping lens

At times, 21mm equiv can be too wide, and something more between the 24-35mm equiv FoV feels a bit more natural to me.

At the same time, when I paired it with the 18-55, I often found that 28mm equiv wasn't wide enough for some landscapes and related scenes, so then I'd throw on the 14mm, but the difference wasn't really that huge, and often times I wished for wider, something like 18mm equiv, if not more.

That is when I picked up the 10-24, since it can cover 15, 18, 21, 24, 28 and even 35mm equiv, and is strong across the whole range. Basically one lens did everything I was swapping between the 18-55 and 14 for, in addition to letting me get far wider than 14mm when I wanted it.

I could essentially keep the 10-24 for landscapes and general walk around shooting. Now yes, I did give up the 24-55mm range on the 18-55, but again, for me, I was taking maybe 10% of shots at that range, if not less.

I kind of find that 35-85mm equiv range a bit of a no-mans land, at least when it comes to a slower (f4 not bad, but not fast) zoom.

Its basically just the standard slow zoom range that always was boring to me with entry level cameras, P&S's etc.

I'm just not going to have a real desire to shoot at 55mm f4. Now 56mm f1.2, YES, that opens up a totally different look, but as a result, the 18-55 is just kind of a wider range zoom, again, for me.

Shooting it at anything from 35-55mm, f4, a lens like the 35/1.4 just is what I always reach for. Beautiful rendering and subject isolation ability. No contest between the two

That is why I think the 10-24 and 35/1.4 are such a potent 1-2 punch covering nearly any lanscape, normal snapshot, and even subject isolation, that most people would encounter on a trip.

I did enjoy the size of the 14/2.8, but can't say I miss it in the least since I got the 10-24.

I also found my 18-55 doesn't go on the camera much if at all, and while a very good "kit" zoom, there are so many other amazing Fuji lenses that I find a bit more exciting that its hard to leave those at home.

Luckily though, is that Fuji has great resale value, and there are plenty of uses lenses out there, so I'd say buy a 14mm, see how it works, if not, sell it for what you paid for it, or close to it at least.

Maybe get a 10-24 and a 14mm, pair it with the 18-55. Take both kits out for an afternoon around town, see how they fare. That way you get to know the lenses before the big trip.



Jul 11, 2017 at 06:13 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Should I get a 12mm?


Have both the 12mm Zeiss and the 14mm Fuji. The 14mm is for sale.
Reason has nothing to do with image quality - both are excellent.
Just really need the 2mm wider view the Zeiss offers, don't like zooms and tried two less expensive 12mm lenses and they were nowhere near as good as either of these two.

You will get excellent image with either focal length as long as your 'eye' us up to it.



Jul 15, 2017 at 11:51 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Should I get a 12mm?


Went to NYC last month with the 14mm and 23mm f2. The 14mm pretty much lived on the camera the whole time. I think it'd be great in Europe.

But,mid you are ok with the size/weight of the 10-24, then that would definitely give you more versatility. In Europe, I'd definitely prefer it over the 18-55.



Jul 16, 2017 at 02:09 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Should I get a 12mm?


Someone sent me a PM - personal message - in response to my post here. Somehow all the PM stuff disappeared from my section. If you can PM me again I can address it. I think it was from this posting.


Jul 22, 2017 at 01:21 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Should I get a 12mm?


I hate constantly switching lenses on trips. So I have two X-E2's with a 14 on one and 35 on the other. The bodies are so small, this works great and I can switch almost instantly between Focal lengths. With those two lenses I don't feel I am missing out on anything. Of course I do have a long zoom that I take only when I know I will need it.


Jul 23, 2017 at 11:34 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Should I get a 12mm?


Decided not to spend the money and stick with the current setup. My original goal of getting the XT2 was to have a light and simple setup. Thus there's no point in having so many lenses.


Jul 28, 2017 at 04:35 AM
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Exposure101 wrote:
Decided not to spend the money and stick with the current setup. My original goal of getting the XT2 was to have a light and simple setup. Thus there's no point in having so many lenses.


good call and your shoulders will be thanking you.

even myself, i would just bring one lens with me, max 2. this forces me to work with the focal length instead of wasting zooming in/out.



Jul 28, 2017 at 04:41 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Should I get a 12mm?


get the Samyang 12mm/f2 it's a no brainer for what it costs, Went to Paris a while ago with the Leica Q, XT-2 with 35/1.4 and the Samyang and was very happy with this as a small light combo which all fits into a Billingham Hadley small bag


Jul 28, 2017 at 06:56 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Should I get a 12mm?


love my samyang 12mm...terrific lens. great perspective.


Jul 28, 2017 at 08:19 PM







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