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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 100-400mm lens solution


I have 12-100 and 300 and nothing in between.
Options:
40-150 Pro
(overlaps with 12-100, not great with TC for 400?

75-300 II (for 200 to 400mm, leightweight)

Upcoming Panasonic 50-200 2.8-4 (400 native)

And the last option is what appeals me most:
Panasonic 100-400
This will make a great pair with 12-100 and from 100 to 200-300 this will be great and rest is bonus. It will still be slower than 40-150 pro.

What do you guys think?


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Jun 20, 2017 at 03:13 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 100-400mm lens solution


All good options but what about the 4/3 50-200? This is a fast and sharp inexpensive option if you buy used.


Jun 20, 2017 at 04:10 PM
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The 300/4 and 12-100/4 were relatively late releases and most of us already own the 12-40/2.8 and 40-150/2.8 so we are sort of stuck with these lenses. The most practical option is therefore the PL 100-400 or 300/4 and I personally chose the 300/4 as I wanted the most speed and IQ that I can get from any m43 lens as the system/format is already compromised in terms of IQ. But if I have to start all over again the 12-100 PRO and PL 100-400 would be serious considerations. The good news is that you cannot go wrong with anyone of these professional-grade lenses.

BTW you don't have to worry about small gaps between lenses. In my case it would be the gap between 150 and 300 ... but I can use the 150 with the MC-14 to give me 210mm at f4 which helps close the gap somewhat.

nandadevieast wrote:
I have 12-100 and 300 and nothing in between.
Options:
40-150 Pro
(overlaps with 12-100, not great with TC for 400?

75-300 II (for 200 to 400mm, leightweight)

Upcoming Panasonic 50-200 2.8-4 (400 native)

And the last option is what appeals me most:
Panasonic 100-400
This will make a great pair with 12-100 and from 100 to 200-300 this will be great and rest is bonus. It will still be slower than 40-150 pro.

What do you guys think?




Jun 20, 2017 at 05:53 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 100-400mm lens solution


Do you use 40-150 often?

bobbytan wrote:
The 300/4 and 12-100/4 were relatively late releases and most of us already own the 12-40/2.8 and 40-150/2.8 so we are sort of stuck with these lenses. The most practical option is therefore the PL 100-400 or 300/4 and I personally chose the 300/4 as I wanted the most speed and IQ that I can get from any m43 lens as the system/format is already compromised in terms of IQ. But if I have to start all over again the 12-100 PRO and PL 100-400 would be serious considerations. The good news is that you cannot go wrong with anyone
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Jun 20, 2017 at 06:29 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 100-400mm lens solution


Not really. I use the 12-40 more because of the range - it's a great general-purpose lens. I think I use my Nocticron more than my 40-150 although I keep telling myself that 300mm at f2.8 is really sweet! And I have yet to try the 40-150 with the MC-14.

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Do you use 40-150 often?





Jun 20, 2017 at 06:37 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 100-400mm lens solution


bobbytan wrote:
... I have yet to try the 40-150 with the MC-14.


I hope I got that complex quote thing right!

Bobby, here are a couple from my E-M5 with the 40-150 + 1.4x:





  E-M5    M.40-150mm F2.8 + MC-14 lens    150mm    f/5.6    1/500s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  E-M5    M.40-150mm F2.8 + MC-14 lens    210mm    f/5.6    1/250s    800 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jun 20, 2017 at 10:46 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 100-400mm lens solution


2981 looks pretty sharp. The MC-14 is pretty good but I do think some copies are better than others. I have yet to be blown away by my own samples with the MC-14, so the thought did cross my mind that I may not have a very good copy. But I can't say that I am disappointed either - just saying that I have seen a few samples that really blew me away. I guess much depends on the subject you are shooting. Images with a lot of fine detail will be a better test.

Ernie Aubert wrote:
Bobby, here are a couple from my E-M5 with the 40-150 + 1.4x:





Jun 21, 2017 at 12:49 AM
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Here's one that I shot last year with the 300/4 and MC14.




  E-M1    M.300mm F4.0 + MC-14 lens    420mm    f/5.6    1/400s    200 ISO    +1.0 EV  




Jun 21, 2017 at 01:09 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 100-400mm lens solution


Great shot Bobby
Fine art action photography
My gut says if I bought 40-150 it will meet the same destiny. Reason is the 12-100 that I have. When will I use that lens



Jun 21, 2017 at 12:52 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 100-400mm lens solution


Simple ... just treat your 40-150 PRO lens as a 150/2.8 prime lens!

And it makes for a great outdoor portrait lens too. You can maybe learn to shoot like Lisa Holloway, although the Nocticron might do a better job at f1.2:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1491380

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/viewtopuploads.php?User=229348

http://ljhollowayphotography.com

nandadevieast wrote:
Great shot Bobby
Fine art action photography
My gut says if I bought 40-150 it will meet the same destiny. Reason is the 12-100 that I have. When will I use that lens



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 100-400mm lens solution


Update: looked at her blog and her fav lens is 200/2

There is another Russian lady like her who shoots her kids with animals.
These shots are taken with a long tele mostly 135/2 type lens. Oly 150/2.8 will be too long at 300mm actual FL.
Her shots are all about full frame and fast lens.

bobbytan wrote:
Simple ... just treat your 40-150 PRO lens as a 150/2.8 prime lens!

And it makes for a great outdoor portrait lens too. You can maybe learn to shoot like Lisa Holloway, although the Nocticron might do a better job at f1.2:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1491380

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/viewtopuploads.php?User=229348

http://ljhollowayphotography.com





Jun 22, 2017 at 03:14 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 100-400mm lens solution


That's why I said the Nocticron might be better - or even the Oly 75/1.8.

nandadevieast wrote:
Update: looked at her blog and her fav lens is 200/2

There is another Russian lady like her who shoots her kids with animals.
These shots are taken with a long tele mostly 135/2 type lens. Oly 150/2.8 will be too long at 300mm actual FL.
Her shots are all about full frame and fast lens.





Jun 22, 2017 at 03:38 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 100-400mm lens solution


Bobby, given your type of work, if you were to start from scratch, what lenses you will go with.
Also, suppose you did not have your 40-150 and there was a choice between that and Pana 100-400, which one will you chose? I know both are different lenses, but still..,

bobbytan wrote:
Not really. I use the 12-40 more because of the range - it's a great general-purpose lens. I think I use my Nocticron more than my 40-150 although I keep telling myself that 300mm at f2.8 is really sweet! And I have yet to try the 40-150 with the MC-14.





Jun 26, 2017 at 10:33 AM
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When the PL 100-400 first came out, the review photos were not impressive ... and I am not sure if that's because the reviewers are not used to shooting with long lenses i.e. they are not bird photographers and most of them actually suck at it - or it may be that the earlier production copies of this lens are not as good. But more and more great images are surfacing in the past few months. In terms of value, the PL 100-400 is better value than the 300/4 prime ... but the fact still remains that the 300/4 is a tad better/sharper than the PL zoom at 300mm, plus it's a little faster.

To answer your question ... I honestly don't know what I will do if I am starting over - and I am glad that I don't have to agonize over that decision! A couple of my friends decided to buy both! For now, I am happy with and I am sticking to my Olympus 40-150/2.8 and 300/4 lenses.

I may replace my 40-150/2.8 with the PL 50-200/2.8-4 when it comes out in a few months time, but I won't be an early adopter, as I need to be convince that the PL is better than the Oly in terms of image quality.

nandadevieast wrote:
Bobby, given your type of work, if you were to start from scratch, what lenses you will go with.
Also, suppose you did not have your 40-150 and there was a choice between that and Pana 100-400, which one will you chose? I know both are different lenses, but still..,





Jun 26, 2017 at 03:25 PM
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Thanks Bobby
Where is your online portfolio btw? Can I see your Nocticron and 40-250 pictures somewhere?

bobbytan wrote:
When the PL 100-400 first came out, the review photos were not impressive ... and I am not sure if that's because the reviewers are not used to shooting with long lenses i.e. they are not bird photographers and most of them actually suck at it - or it may be that the earlier production copies of this lens are not as good. But more and more great images are surfacing in the past few months. In terms of value, the PL 100-400 is better value than the 300/4 prime ... but the fact still remains that the 300/4 is
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Jun 26, 2017 at 03:36 PM
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The pictures I have taken with the 40-150 are all over the place, but I did put some of my first images taken with the Nocticron in one folder:

http://yinyang.zenfolio.com/p6132752

nandadevieast wrote:
Thanks Bobby
Where is your online portfolio btw? Can I see your Nocticron and 40-250 pictures somewhere?





Jun 26, 2017 at 03:50 PM
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Decision made:

Between 100-400 and 40-150 and 50-200....

40-150 at 200mm = F4
100-400 at 200mm = F5 (half stop slower)
50-200 at 200mm = F4

So 100-400 is almost as fast as others till 200mm and can be considered as sharp as 40-150 thanks to TC on the later and 100-400 being sharp at wide end (typically).
Over and above this you get extra 400mm reach.

40-150 = 880g with foot + TC (170gram) = 1000gram plus or without foot at least in the same ball park as 100-400 so...the extra reach doesn't come with a weight penalty.

Length 160mm vs 170mm (similar)

50-200 is going to be lighter but its not released yet so...

I am getting 100-400 then.

All this problem happened because of my 12-100 Pro. If I didn't have that lens, all sorted with 12-40/40-150/TC/300 like @Bobby

But buying a 40-150 when I have a 12-100 is difficult to justify.

bobbytan wrote:
When the PL 100-400 first came out, the review photos were not impressive ... and I am not sure if that's because the reviewers are not used to shooting with long lenses i.e. they are not bird photographers and most of them actually suck at it - or it may be that the earlier production copies of this lens are not as good. But more and more great images are surfacing in the past few months. In terms of value, the PL 100-400 is better value than the 300/4 prime ... but the fact still remains that the 300/4 is
...Show more



Jun 26, 2017 at 03:52 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 100-400mm lens solution


Hate to say "I told you so", but I did tell you so:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1476235/0#13927197



nandadevieast wrote:
Decision made:

Between 100-400 and 40-150 and 50-200....

40-150 at 200mm = F4
100-400 at 200mm = F5 (half stop slower)
50-200 at 200mm = F4

So 100-400 is almost as fast as others till 200mm and can be considered as sharp as 40-150 thanks to TC on the later and 100-400 being sharp at wide end (typically).
Over and above this you get extra 400mm reach.

40-150 = 880g with foot + TC (170gram) = 1000gram plus or without foot at least in the same ball park as 100-400 so...the extra reach doesn't come with a weight penalty.

Length 160mm vs 170mm (similar)

50-200 is
...Show more



Jun 26, 2017 at 03:58 PM
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Yes, indeed, you said it and exactly what I am doing now, should have listened to you.
At that time, even you sold your 100-400 so I was shaky.
I ended up owning a 300 in the whole process which I don't regret one bit. I will see down the line which one is better for me, hopefully by using them in the wild and not on paper. This duplication doesn't bother me as much as 12-100 and 40-150 would have.
In any case I have bought into M43 for wildlife and nature so having a tele prime and also a tele zoom works

mitesh wrote:
Hate to say "I told you so", but I did tell you so:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1476235/0#13927197







Jun 26, 2017 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 100-400mm lens solution


Here's a shot I took with the 40-150mm in Iceland.




  E-M1    OLYMPUS M.40-150mm F2.8 lens    95mm    f/8.0    1/40s    400 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jun 26, 2017 at 04:15 PM
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