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Andre Y wrote:
A couple of observations:

- the MFD markings on the leaked Milvus photos appear to be different than the specs for the classic 1.4/35: 20 inches/0.5m vs. 12 inches/0.3m. It could be that we just can't see the rest of the Milvus's distance scale though.

- not launching a rebodied 1.4/35 immediately could also be caused by limited production capabilities and perhaps a healthy stock of the classic model. They might have been waiting for a production line to open up as well as their back stock to deplete before switching over, so launching this late doesn't necessarily mean it's a
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i hope it's brand new design....and better than classic. If this is the case i'd still keep my 1.4/35 classic.



Jun 16, 2017 at 12:25 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


The good news is that, no matter what they do with the Milvus, there are plenty of low cost, low milage ZF/ZE's to keep lovers of that rendering happy. The lower the prices go, the more fans it will find.


Jun 16, 2017 at 10:34 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


I still have the real classic, C/Y 35/1.4 which has beautiful rendering and 3d wide open. Also the zf 35/2 and RX1 Sonnar 35/2 which is nice too in rendering. But my Otus 28 is incredible and spending a lot of time stuck on my camera. The 95mm front element is a beast! Not sure if I need the new 35/1.4 Milvus. I'm good with the Otus 28.


Jun 17, 2017 at 03:45 AM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


freaklikeme wrote:
The good news is that, no matter what they do with the Milvus, there are plenty of low cost, low milage ZF/ZE's to keep lovers of that rendering happy. The lower the prices go, the more fans it will find.



see the problem with me is whenever i decided to buy a used one... in the back of my mind the little demon tells me " oh boy that thing is already manhandled who knows maybe the previous owner probably dropped it somewhere and you'll realized after 30-days that something is wrong with your images!!! "

Unless you know personally the seller, it's all good.


yeah sometimes I see Otus lenses that are graded 8 and below... they'd probably abused the lens.



Jun 19, 2017 at 05:04 AM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


So has there been any more info come out yet about the optical design?

If they just followed the same optical design as the Rollei/Contax version but with modern coatings they would have a hit on their hands. People pay crazy money for those on eBay as it has that 3D look from rapid fall off of focus that no other 35mm lens can match.

I understand some like the softer rendering on the ZE 35/1.4 especially for portraits but overall I had the impression most were disappointed Zeiss didn't maintain the Contax optical design (as they did with the 28/2 for example) with the 35/1.4.

If they have gone back to the original optical design I will order it on day one and I am sure others will too.



Jun 20, 2017 at 09:31 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


Just saw this update on Nikon Rumors, and if the specs are correct, then it is a different design than the Classic version: https://nikonrumors.com/2017/06/20/specifications-of-the-upcoming-zeiss-milvus-35mm-f1-4-zf-2-lens.aspx/

(Classic spec in parentheses)

Lens construction: 14 elements in 11 groups (11/9)
Shortest shooting distance: 0.3 m (0.3 m)
Maximum shooting magnification: 1:4.6 (1:5)
Filter diameter: 72 mm (72 mm)
Maximum diameter length: 84.8 mm 124.8 mm (78 mm x 119.9 mm)
Weight: 1174 g (830 g)

Based on the specs, it looks like it could have a higher level of correction (and maybe price) than the Classic.





Jun 20, 2017 at 11:04 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


Thanks - I hadn't seen that link.

It's interesting, those specs - if accurate information! - also suggest a completely different design from the ZE/ZF model (that has 11 elements in 9 groups). It suggests it will be something of a beast, perhaps hinting at Otus like levels of correction.

As for the rendering I suppose we will have to wait and see how it looks.



Jun 20, 2017 at 11:56 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


Yeah, this thing will probably be heavy and dense like the Milvus 85.


Jun 21, 2017 at 12:01 AM
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Specs from Canon rumors


http://www.canonrumors.com/zeiss-milvus-35mm-f1-4-distagon-t-specifications/



Jun 21, 2017 at 12:17 AM
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That seems to confirm then these new specs - it's going to be a very big, very heavy lens, very highly corrected and an all new design, different from both the Contax/Rollei formula and different from the ZE/ZF formula.

I suppose given the success Zeiss has had going after optical perfection in recent years this was quite an obvious choice for their 35mm offering.

I still wish they would give us a modern equivalent of the old Contax lens though (as they did with 28mm) - I am sure this new lens will resolve some amazing levels of detail and I suspect they will try hard to correct the f/1.4 performance that the ZE/ZF lens was criticised for but I suppose all we can do is wait and see how it compares to the Contax lens in terms of pop and rendering of bokeh etc.



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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


It probably won't be corrected quite to the level of an Otus lens, but it looks a lot like the Milvus 85 f/1.4 and that is a very good thing. I think we will see a lens better control of aberrations, but let's just hope they keep nice bokeh. They did that with the Milvus 85. I hope this new Milvus 35 is close to as good.


Jun 21, 2017 at 01:58 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


here are the differences:

Price: $1,999 ( North America ) - Info by Nokishita

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/06/milvus-1435.html


Lens:

(rumored) Milvus 1.4/35 - 11 Groups / 14 Elements

Classic 1.4/35 - 9 Groups / 11 elements



Weight:


(rumored) Milvus 1.4/35 - 1174g

Classic 1.4/35 - ZE 850g / ZF.2 830g

Milvus 1.4/85 - ZE 1280g / ZF.2 1210g

Otus 1.4/85 - ZE 1200g / ZF.2 1140g


Reference: Zeiss.com for all existing zeiss lenses.




Edited on Jun 21, 2017 at 09:33 AM · View previous versions



Jun 21, 2017 at 07:21 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


Milvus 85 has nice bokeh "because" Zeiss didn't use any aspheric elements, IIRC. If that were a good idea for all lenses, why are designers using aspherics, then? Including Sony who use "extreme aspherics" in their GM range, which don't exactly have bad bokeh...


Jun 21, 2017 at 07:35 AM
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bushwacker wrote:
Milvus 1.4/85 - ZE 1280g / ZF.2 1210g

Otus 1.4/85 - ZE 1390g / ZF.2 1350g



It looks like you might have used the weight for the 28mm Otus. The 85 Otus weighs 1200/1140g (ZE/ZF.2). The only reason I know this is because I remember being surprised that the 85 Milvus is heavier than its Otus version!




Jun 21, 2017 at 07:41 AM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


Samples

Milvus 1,4/35



Jun 21, 2017 at 09:02 AM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


Ah good find with the samples, they just updated their product page too.

It's hard to really tell much from the samples I think - many have harsh light in the background which makes it harder to really judge the rendering of the out of focus area. It certainly looks promising though, perhaps all those elements allow a "best of all worlds" approach (apart from weight and size!) - it looks sharp and the bokeh looks nice and neutral.

Interestingly most of the shots are around f/2 with few shown wide open so we can't really judge if it has the 3D pop at f/1.4 that the Contax version had. The photo with the lady wearing a red top sitting on a rock (again only shot at f/2) is perhaps the closest one to showing us the fall off in focus at medium distance and it doesn't look a million miles from the Contax look.

Has anyone else who has followed the Milvus line got any clues about how quickly Zeiss normally goes from this stage (i.e. announcement and samples) to the lens being in the hands of photographers?



Jun 21, 2017 at 09:26 AM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


Andre Y wrote:
It looks like you might have used the weight for the 28mm Otus. The 85 Otus weighs 1200/1140g (ZE/ZF.2). The only reason I know this is because I remember being surprised that the 85 Milvus is heavier than its Otus version!



oh yeah my bad.. let me correct. it. tnx.




Jun 21, 2017 at 09:32 AM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


oh shit!! it's real....

https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/photography/products/milvus-lenses/milvus-1435.html#data



LLoyd chambers already have samples...


http://lenspire.zeiss.com/en/first-look-zeiss-milvus-35/


I like the rendering... it's a refined 1.4/35 classic.

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Jun 21, 2017 at 09:35 AM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · CR: Zeiss 1.4/35 Milvus? [ Now in Zeiss.com ]


I really like the samples, for what they are. I am already hearing this lens crying out my name...


Jun 21, 2017 at 09:40 AM
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Article by Lloyd Chambers:

http://lenspire.zeiss.com/en/first-look-zeiss-milvus-35/

He has a comparison at f/1.4 with the Milvus, ZE and Canon's 35L II.

It's hard to tell a great deal from one comparison set but the Milvus appears, in terms of rendering, halfway between those two. The ZE seemed to sacrifice wide open sharpness for a buttery smooth bokeh, the 35L II is all about wide open sharpness with quite harsh bokeh. The Milvus is in the middle.

The photo of the metal outhouse is at f1.4 and suggests a very well corrected lens with quite neutral bokeh although it doesn't appear to have that same dramatic fall off in focus that marked out the Rollei/Contax Zeiss although the Milvus has a nicer bokeh.



Jun 21, 2017 at 09:46 AM
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