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ShotByTom wrote:
Other than not liking the way it looks, what's wrong with Photoshop on the iPad? I haven't had any problems at all. The Apple Pencil is amazing on the iPad, and makes working with photoshop so much easier.

Sounds to me like you're trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a microsoft vs apple fight...


I don't really care what anyone buys, I am sharing my experience with both. Does anyone have direct experience with IPad Pro (I have two of them) and Surface Pro?

Photoshop on the iPad feels much like Snapseed.....



Jun 16, 2017 at 11:58 PM
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mogud wrote:
The Lightning connector doesn't support RAW file formats nor does IOS. What we are both seeing on our iPads is the embedded jpeg preview.



Completely false. I can import and return to my desktop the original RAW NEF files and have done so for nearly 7 years. As I told you, read up on Core Image, Apple's RAW image foundation for both macOS (and OS X) as well as iOS.

You are correct in that many apps written for iOS do not process RAW images though there are several third-party iOS apps that can process RAW like Lr Mobile ... but ALL iPads can import the RAW image files. (As supported in the linked list below)

I keep a workstation in my office set with an Automator shortcut that moves all my Camera Roll images from my various iOs devices to a watched folder that automatically is then imported into my desktop version of Lightroom. Now these images don't reveal any adjustments I may have made to them in the apps I may use on my iPad, but they offer the original, untouched RAW file. Not a jpeg copy or extracted jpeg preview. Period.

Or did all this tech writer got it wrong:


https://www.imore.com/how-import-your-dslr-or-other-cameras-photos-your-iphone-or-ipad

... and I guess Apple has some explaining to do about this list of supported RAW files for iOS 10 and macOS Sierra:



https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207049




Jun 17, 2017 at 12:49 AM
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Herb wrote:
Photoshop on the iPad feels much like Snapseed.....


That's not saying much ... Photoshop for iOS is one of the wort image adjustment apps for the iPad. Filterstorm Pro and even Pixelmator blow it out of the water just to name 2. Any comparison of Ps for iOS to the desktop version is a night and day comparison.



Jun 17, 2017 at 12:53 AM
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So how do you suggest getting RAWs onto an iPad from a CF card, both quickly and without the cloud (which is what it would take to be useful IMHO)? I want to use my new iPad pro for culling large NEFs but I don't think there is an easy way to get them onto the iPad's internal storage.


Jun 19, 2017 at 05:03 PM
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You can use this adapter:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter

You can connect the camera via USB cable or a CF card reader. If you use a card reader you will also have to connect a power cable.



Jun 19, 2017 at 06:29 PM
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jrhoffman75 wrote:
You can use this adapter:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter

You can connect the camera via USB cable or a CF card reader. If you use a card reader you will also have to connect a power cable.


That looks like it would do the trick.

Will I then be able to browse (locally) all the NEFs and load multiple photos at a time into Affinity for culling?



Jun 19, 2017 at 06:57 PM
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CanadaMark wrote:
So how do you suggest getting RAWs onto an iPad from a CF card, both quickly and without the cloud (which is what it would take to be useful IMHO)? I want to use my new iPad pro for culling large NEFs but I don't think there is an easy way to get them onto the iPad's internal storage.


I use the lightning to USB adaptor with the Kodak 50-in-1 USB card reader. It meets the lower power level that fall in line with the iPad limits. It's an older USB 2.0 speed, but I never load all the images onto my iPad, I do some pre culling during the initial import process.



Jun 19, 2017 at 07:39 PM
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Yes. Affinity provides a button to import from Photos.

You could review and cull in Photos, deleting the ones you don't want, or review before you import and just checkmark the ones you want to import.



Jun 19, 2017 at 07:40 PM
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All right, I was able to import raws from my A7RII directly into my 12.9 iPad Pro (2016) with the Ligthtning to USB 3 camera adapter mentioned above.
Contrary to what other users said above, you can indeed import raw files into the iPad and you can since a couple of years I believe.
Lightroom Mobile will show you all the details of the file, including the extension, which is ARW in my case, so definitely not a JPG.

- The import process is slower than importing to a laptop.
- Affinity works smoothly with a 14bit 86mb Sony raw, zooming in and out is fast, editing exposure, contrast etc is quick. However, at the end you have to commit your changes to the module you're using, and that takes 10-20 seconds. Not too bad all considering.
- You can't import raw files directly from Photos. It will import the JPG! I don't know if I've missed some settings, but I couldn't figure out how to do it. I had to import the raw into Lightroom Mobile then select Open In... and Affinity. You can however import a raw from the cloud.
- Apparently features such as focus merge, stack, panorama and hdr merge do not support raw files. I had both raw and jpgs into my cloud and the raw files were all greyed out. This sucks big time.

All in all, Affinity seems to be still at an early stage with loads of bugs/features to be addressed, however it worked ok on my iPad. I suspect it won't replace my laptop anytime soon.
I also have Lightroom Mobile, and they kind of complement each other. For viewing, browsing, culling, Lightroom is much better. For editing, go for Affinity. Hard to say which one is more bugged, it's a good fight.



Jun 19, 2017 at 07:58 PM
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jrhoffman75 wrote:
Yes. Affinity provides a button to import from Photos.

You could review and cull in Photos, deleting the ones you don't want, or review before you import and just checkmark the ones you want to import.


So the stock Photos app has the ability to read large 36MP NEF files? As long as it's snappy that might be all I need. These apps aren't nearly powerful enough for my editing needs (nor is the iPad Pro), I just want something fast for checking focus and culling. I'd be happy to buy Affinity or whatever for that, but if the stock app works thats great.



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I cannot specifically state anything about NEF files; I am a Canon shooter. But the Apple info for iOS 10 says it supports Nikon RAW L files.


Jun 19, 2017 at 09:06 PM
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jrhoffman75 wrote:
I cannot specifically state anything about NEF files; I am a Canon shooter. But the Apple info for iOS 10 says it supports Nikon RAW L files.


That reference to Nikon RAW L files is for the D5 and the D500. iOS 10 supports all Nikon NEF RAW files going back to the original D1 ... (though the D1 didn't actually produce a NEF as we know them today, but a proprietary TIFF file) though, they list no such caveat for other NEF versions from other cameras.



Jun 19, 2017 at 10:14 PM
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I commented earlier in this thread that I was going to pick-up the iPad 10.5. Well, it arrived yesterday. So for portable support I now have the iPad Pro 10.5, iPad Pro 9.7 and Surface Pro 4. I had planned to buy Affinity Photo and give it a try on the two iPads, but I have been hesitating because my Adobe CC apps on the Surface Pro 4 seems to be a much nicer approach and I am wondering if the $20 for Affinity will just be a waste. I wish they had a demo version I could try and evaluate.

But for casual editing on the go, I think the iPad 10.5 would be a good tool. Great tool? Probably not, but I would expect good enough. Comparing the iPad 10.5 to my Surface Pro. The Surface Pro has a keyboard with backlight and trackpad, bluetooth mouse and pen support. It had USB ports for card readers and a file system. You can create a complete post processing environment on the go with the product. The Adobe apps are full PC apps. The Surface Pro can be color calibrated and the apps are color managed. The primary advantage of the iPads are their smaller size and better portability.

I will report back in the coming days if I decide to go ahead and give the Affinity app a try on the iPads. If you are just interested in a casual on the go editing solution, the iPad Pro 9.7 seems like a good deal. Especially for refurb units. These are going to cost about half what the 10.5 costs and for most things you will not see a lot of difference. The smaller size makes it easier just to take with you. I did notice that the color on the iPad Pro 10.5 was slightly different than the color on my iPad Pro 9.7. I haven't tried to figure out which is more accurate, but suspect the 10.5 may be more accurate.



Jun 20, 2017 at 08:14 PM
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@henryp When will bhphotovideo.com be shipping the new iPad Pro 10.5 wifi only models? Any estimated date on that?


Jun 20, 2017 at 09:57 PM
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UCSB wrote:
I had planned to buy Affinity Photo and give it a try on the two iPads, but I have been hesitating because my Adobe CC apps on the Surface Pro 4 seems to be a much nicer approach and I am wondering if the $20 for Affinity will just be a waste. I wish they had a demo version I could try and evaluate.


I don't think you will get a great impression of the iPad Pro mobile experience if you don't use Affinity Photo with it. There isn't much software out right now that will provide the same mobile functionality.

I picked up a 12.9" 512GB and pencil to try basic RAW processing on A7R and A7RII files. From my perspective at this point, Affinity Photo is the only reason I could justify spending on this platform for a mobile workflow - with the very optimistic assumption that it will get better quickly. Its on sale right now and you can use it, albeit slowly, even on an iPad Air 2. Snapseed currently crashes on my iPad Pro when loading A7RII RAWs.

You must use the new lightning to USB3.0 connector - importing large RAW files through the old USB2.0 connection is an exercise in pain. I tested both direct camera connection and connection to a USB3 card reader. The import function takes just over a second on average to read and generate a preview for each 42MP RAW on the memory card. I think I will need to change my workflow a bit and store fewer pictures on the card to keep things snappy as the importer currently must read every file in all folders from the beginning of the SDCard. I have high hopes for iOS 11 that it will make managing files easier so that I can select individual folders/files directly for import before reading and previewing - but I don't expect file transfer speeds to become lightning fast.

Affinity Photo seems to be programmed to rely heavily on the GPU - even in the desktop versions. This is an advantage on the Apple platform as it performs some real-time transforms and effects much faster than I can even hope to get even on my Broadwell-E i7 with NVIDIA graphics card at home using Photoshop, never mind a Surface Pro.

Incidentally, Affinity Photo's smart masking features are very impressive and truly designed for quick mobile use. There are definitely bugs in the software at the moment, but so far they seem committed to improving the software.

One major thing to note - if you expect to batch process a bunch of raws in the field automatically with the same settings you applied to one file - you will not find that easy with Affinity Photo - at least not in it's current state. The iPad hardware seems speedy enough to do it, but the software right now is geared for processing individual files and does not process RAWs non-destructively. You will also not be able to use a sidecar file to apply your raw processing edits externally to other files. I intend to use this software to check and process select files on the go for real-time feedback and sharing when travelling so this is fine by me. I do look forward to a time when they expand this functionality. From what I can tell reading their user forums, it may be another app release.

I did check out the new Surface Pro at the Microsoft store and spent a good amount of time with the unit and one of their learning specialists. The iPad screen is far and away superior (wide colour support, True Tone etc.) as are the speakers btw. The iPad form factor is much more compelling - lighter, thinner and larger viewable space with better cameras if you value those things. I don't expect to need the keyboard with the iPad for most photo tasks.

Price may not be a factor for everyone, but the Surface would cost me at least $1000CAD more before taxes for a comparable setup, and that's not even their top 1TB model. I already have an ultra-light i7 X1 Carbon with Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for work so that also likely skews my decision making. I do not enjoy using the Carbon on the go unless after shooting and at coffee shops/back at a table or desk.



Jun 21, 2017 at 07:43 PM
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Lamda wrote:
I don't think you will get a great impression of the iPad Pro mobile experience if you don't use Affinity Photo with it. There isn't much software out right now that will provide the same mobile functionality.

I picked up a 12.9" 512GB and pencil to try basic RAW processing on A7R and A7RII files. From my perspective at this point, Affinity Photo is the only reason I could justify spending on this platform for a mobile workflow - with the very optimistic assumption that it will get better quickly. Its on sale right now and you can use it, albeit
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I spent the $20 even after reading the reviews where there were issues with crashing etc. I figured that was the minority or they had specific instances like using iCloud that didn't apply to me. My first impression after watching the first video was holy crap, there is a lot of capability here. I will have to fuss with it on my iPad Pro ( I have the original large version and bought a smaller pro before the newest version came out.

So give me some time to fuss with it and I will provide my opinion. I hope this meets what I need and expect.

Thank you for putting your comments here as I wouldn't have known this was out there without them!



Jun 21, 2017 at 08:54 PM
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jrhoffman75 wrote:
You can use this adapter:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter

You can connect the camera via USB cable or a CF card reader. If you use a card reader you will also have to connect a power cable.


Have you tried this with a Canon camera? Does it gain easy access to the card in the camera or do you need other software to do that?



Jun 21, 2017 at 08:59 PM
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Herb wrote:
So give me some time to fuss with it and I will provide my opinion. I hope this meets what I need and expect.
Thank you for putting your comments here as I wouldn't have known this was out there without them!

Any time I've done my fair share of lurking and reading on this forum so it's about time I give some back .

There are some major bugs in Affinity Photo for sure (e.g. can't crop a portrait oriented RAW file correctly!?!?), but the interactive tutorial that you can launch after installing the app really showcases the optimizations that hint at a bright future for the app if they can fix things up quick.

Will be great to hear how it works out for your use-case.



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Herb wrote:
Have you tried this with a Canon camera? Does it gain easy access to the card in the camera or do you need other software to do that?


Yes. It works fine, but you do need to use external power. No third party app required. Images are downloaded into Photos.




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mogud wrote:
I do the same regarding my RAW files on my iPad. The Lightning connector doesn't support RAW file formats nor does IOS. What we are both seeing on our iPads is the embedded jpeg preview. With all due respect, I wish the iPad did exactly what you described.

I have done my DD and IOS, unfortunately, does not support any RAW file formats because IOS is not an operating system like MacOS. The premise of my post was to make an intial comment on IOS 11 and state that future development might make the iPad more laptop like using an IOS
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This is all very useful for me because I was also considering a new Ipad pro for reviewing my RAW files while travelling. I have already been burned once in this regard when Apple Store employees assured me several years ago that the new Ipad Pro at that time could handle the RAW files just fine. That cost me a lot of frustration and wasted time to find out they were wrong.

When the new highly touted Ipads came out, I assumed they would have the new, very high-speed Thunderbolt3 connections that work amazingly well on my late 2016 15" MacBook Pro. Thanks to mogud, I found out it was the wrong atmospheric discharge. I double-checked his assertion on the Apple website, and confirmed the brand-new Ipad pros indeed have the old-time Lightning connectors. For my photographic purposes, the new Ipads are produced with outdated hardware that make them useless as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks for the info in this thread!



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