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p.18 #1 · p.18 #1 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


Neurad1 wrote:
Since I have lethal GAS, I am undeniably curious about this lens. The Sony 16-35 F4 is my most used lens and I have a pretty good copy, though. Unless this lens proves to be WAY better than the F4, "faster" is not reason enough for me to buy it. I use F4 stopped down most of the time anyway, and have the Batis 18 and Loxia 21 for fast WA. So I can't see buying this one unless it proves to be stellar by a majority of reviewers.


Well, for me it is worth switching from f4. For under 200 gr. more you will get f2.8. This is a big point. Churches, astro-photography aso. will be pointing with it. Also the focus-button is a great feature vs. the Zeiss f4 and the manual focusing obviously has been improved quite noticeable. I plan to take it as general zoom to complement with some fast primes (35/50/85), the 24-70GM was always a bit too long for my needs. Then the colors. The Zeiss generated me too brownish colors, actually I like the GM contrast and colors better, especially for landscape. With f2.8 @35mm I can imagine also some portrait shots when a fast prime has been left in the Hotel. Here the Zeiss has it's weakest point IMO. Overall Sony must simply deliver a better package for this price. We will need to wait for more tests.



Jun 06, 2017 at 07:19 AM
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p.18 #2 · p.18 #2 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


Looks like 12-24 is already shipping in Europe: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/new-sony-12-24mm-g-alreayd-stock-europe-pchstore/ , probably other shops worldwide will get copies soon.


Jun 22, 2017 at 12:01 PM
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p.18 #3 · p.18 #3 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


Bespoked wrote:
If you're in business (or not) and you're buying a fair bit of stock, the retailer should look after you, they really need all the business they can get and my favourite salesman makes regular decent (not great) commission on our sales, he deserves it. He also lets me know of deals and gives me some heads up if he is aware of a new item etc. He's good with a Sony (and Zeiss) rep and I get some of that info too, I look after him by not blabbing about it.


I have a favourite retailer that looks after me like this as well. No issues with returns or exchanges, inside scoops on deals, and he usually sells me Sony gear well below the prices "allowed" by Sony (don't believe anyone who tells you retail margins are tight on Sony gear...). In return, I don't blab about it because it might get him in hot water with Sony.



Jun 22, 2017 at 02:26 PM
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p.18 #4 · p.18 #4 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


molson wrote:
I have a favourite retailer that looks after me like this as well. No issues with returns or exchanges, inside scoops on deals, and he usually sells me Sony gear well below the prices "allowed" by Sony (don't believe anyone who tells you retail margins are tight on Sony gear...). In return, I don't blab about it because it might get him in hot water with Sony.


generally, you should be able to get sony USA models for only slightly higher than import prices you see on ebay.

I know for the 16-35 GM, if the reviews are favorable, I'm not paying more than 2K for that, I expect to save at least 10% via greentoe. You can probably get the 24-70gm for that price on GT. The fact that the lenses are made in thailand suggests these items are highly profitable for sony.... gotta do my best to undercut their profits for myself



Jun 22, 2017 at 04:04 PM
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Charlie N wrote:
generally, you should be able to get sony USA models for only slightly higher than import prices you see on ebay.



I would rather buy something with a valid Canadian warranty, which typically costs less than Sony USA products anyway.



Jun 22, 2017 at 04:51 PM
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molson wrote:
I would rather buy something with a valid Canadian warranty, which typically costs less than Sony USA products anyway.


You can get any Sony lens for less in Canada than the US and that does not even take into account dealing with the local shops nor the unknown shipping / brokerage fees from the US.



Jun 22, 2017 at 05:06 PM
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chez wrote:
You can get any Sony lens for less in Canada than the US and that does not even take into account dealing with the local shops nor the unknown shipping / brokerage fees from the US.


Especially now that the infamous UPS "surprise" duty and brokerage charges are back at my favourite US store...



Jun 22, 2017 at 05:10 PM
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Neurad1 wrote:
Since I have lethal GAS, I am undeniably curious about this lens. The Sony 16-35 F4 is my most used lens and I have a pretty good copy, though. Unless this lens proves to be WAY better than the F4, "faster" is not reason enough for me to buy it. I use F4 stopped down most of the time anyway, and have the Batis 18 and Loxia 21 for fast WA. So I can't see buying this one unless it proves to be stellar by a majority of reviewers.


I just finished running MTF tests on 10 copies and it may well be stellar. I was most impressed. As good as the Sigma Art at 12mm and better at 24mm, and the Sigma is a most impressive lens far, far larger than the FE, and similarly priced.



Jun 25, 2017 at 08:55 PM
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Hmmm. Your so bad. Lol


Jun 25, 2017 at 09:24 PM
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p.18 #10 · p.18 #10 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


Be interesting to see how the 12-24 compares to the 16-35 f4 from 16 to 24 where the 16-35 is very good. If it's comparable, I might have to sell my 16-35 and pick up the 12-24.


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p.18 #11 · p.18 #11 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


Are you posting this soon on LR, Roger? Thanks!

Very torn between these two options 16-35 and 12-24.

RCicala wrote:
I just finished running MTF tests on 10 copies and it may well be stellar. I was most impressed. As good as the Sigma Art at 12mm and better at 24mm, and the Sigma is a most impressive lens far, far larger than the FE, and similarly priced.




Jun 25, 2017 at 11:35 PM
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Justin Stone wrote:
Are you posting this soon on LR, Roger? Thanks!

Very torn between these two options 16-35 and 12-24.



It should be up tomorrow afternoon. The testing and writeups are done, just have to make the comparison graphs.




Jun 26, 2017 at 01:49 AM
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Excited to see your findings... Thank you!

RCicala wrote:
It should be up tomorrow afternoon. The testing and writeups are done, just have to make the comparison graphs.





Jun 26, 2017 at 01:58 AM
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I am as well. I'm leaning more 16-35 because it fits better but the 12-24 solves at least 2 focal lengths for me and more like 3. The good news is I will be in NY on the release day so I could go into Adorama or B&H and at least look at it. That could be dangerous. Lol

I actually have a rental from Rogers place coming the same day a A9 vertical grip and 70-200. Roger wanna throw in the 12-24 . Lol


Justin Stone wrote:
Are you posting this soon on LR, Roger? Thanks!

Very torn between these two options 16-35 and 12-24.





Jun 26, 2017 at 02:34 AM
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Roger, any chance you can try it out on an IR converted camera and report back on hot spots? 😊

RCicala wrote:
I just finished running MTF tests on 10 copies and it may well be stellar. I was most impressed. As good as the Sigma Art at 12mm and better at 24mm, and the Sigma is a most impressive lens far, far larger than the FE, and similarly priced.




Jun 26, 2017 at 04:08 AM
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p.18 #16 · p.18 #16 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


GMPhotography wrote:
I am as well. I'm leaning more 16-35 because it fits better but the 12-24 solves at least 2 focal lengths for me and more like 3. The good news is I will be in NY on the release day so I could go into Adorama or B&H and at least look at it. That could be dangerous. Lol

I actually have a rental from Rogers place coming the same day a A9 vertical grip and 70-200. Roger wanna throw in the 12-24 . Lol


We are both on the same dilemma...the 2.8 speed which is where I normally draw the line for my slowest lenses vs the added range of a 12mm...plus that way I got a 12-24mm, a 35mm 1.4L ii, then my other lenses..
I am pretty happy with my results from Yellowstone with the Tamron 15-30mm 2.8 and a polarizer though so maybe I dont really NEED to change. Still..that is one more point against the 12-24mm..I wished several times that my Tamron could use regular filters during my trip.
Decisions decisions...




Jun 26, 2017 at 04:36 AM
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p.18 #17 · p.18 #17 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


Great! I say that both sarcastically and seriously. "Great!" because I'll probably buy it and also because I'll probably buy it

But $2200 for a lens I don't really need? That's airfare for my wife AND me to Europe!! There are probably better ways for me to spend that money. What a dilemma.

All you guys and gals with GAS will understand.

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Jun 26, 2017 at 11:17 AM
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That's the tough part you would still have to keep a very wide prime around for filters. I would sell my 12 but not sure I would sell my Batis 18. One reason I bought it was very wide and able to filter. Tough call here

GabrielPhoto wrote:
We are both on the same dilemma...the 2.8 speed which is where I normally draw the line for my slowest lenses vs the added range of a 12mm...plus that way I got a 12-24mm, a 35mm 1.4L ii, then my other lenses..
I am pretty happy with my results from Yellowstone with the Tamron 15-30mm 2.8 and a polarizer though so maybe I dont really NEED to change. Still..that is one more point against the 12-24mm..I wished several times that my Tamron could use regular filters during my trip.
Decisions decisions...





Jun 26, 2017 at 11:28 AM
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p.18 #19 · p.18 #19 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


Bespoked wrote:
There's an app for that

There's also DSLR lens adaption, with rear filter inside the adaptor, but you know what I think about that.

I wouldn't pay extra for a 2.8/12-24 and I wouldn't want the extra weight, more than happy for Sony to release a faster version, but I won't be buying it.


while the app is great and I use it often, they dont work very well for seascapes



Jun 26, 2017 at 12:46 PM
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p.18 #20 · p.18 #20 · Pre-order Now! Sony FE 16-35/2.8 GM and FE 12-24/4 G


Apps are limited and I'm not the biggest user of them. Actually I don't have any on my cameras. Old school but if you did get this lens you will have to turn to apps. I am interested though in the smooth reflections app.

Bespoked wrote:
There's an app for that

There's also DSLR lens adaption, with rear filter inside the adaptor, but you know what I think about that.

I wouldn't pay extra for a 2.8/12-24 and I wouldn't want the extra weight, more than happy for Sony to release a faster version, but I won't be buying it.




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