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Went to a Mothers Day Lunch ( served at 5 PM) at the outlaws Yesterday.
With all but one Nice gathered at the table, Sister in law says she wants to get a picture to send missing family member being her daughter in Cambodia.

She jumps up from the table and says " I want to take a picture to send XXX, Wheres my phone?".

I jumped up and said " Oh, I need to call someone, where's my Fking camera??"

I was struck how the thought process is the first thing that comes to mind to take a picture is their phone instead of a camera.



May 14, 2017 at 10:41 PM
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Or another way to think of it:

It's amazing that we have the ability to capture fleeting moments in time without having to plan for it by using a small device that's on us and immediately send it to a loved one.... In certain light, phone cameras are more than adequate. And yet, people are still willing to spend thousands of dollars on photography services, even though we are at a point where the ease at which to acquire and learn how to use high quality equipment is at pretty much anyone's fingertip.



May 14, 2017 at 11:09 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Sign of the ( Photographic) times.


If smart phone users figure out how to see light, and pose people, we're dead.


May 14, 2017 at 11:56 PM
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It is not going to happen and I believe this firmly.

Seeing the light and posing require thought process, time and skill, completely opposite of what the typical smartphone user desires. They just want to press a button and expect magic to happen. In many ways, smartphone images are great because they are easy to obtain and convenient. The end result is the same, a new image is captured but the intent is very different.

That is like saying if everyone has access to a kitchen and fresh ingredients (which we all do), all restaurants will go bankrupt. Having the recipe and watching some YouTube videos won't make me a chef, let alone build a Gordon Ramsay food empire. In the end there will always be a market of people who wish to splurge, to enjoy having their food cooked and served by someone else.



LeeSimms wrote:
If smart phone users figure out how to see light, and pose people, we're dead.




May 15, 2017 at 12:16 AM
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My father travelled extensively his whole life. When he was young he carried a Agfa rangefinder but as he hit his 30's he stopped carrying a camera. Hundreds of trips where he didn't record his travels. Decades of interesting places that only existed in his memories.

He used to have a "normal" mobile phone. I was sooooo sick of phone calls from him where he couldn't read a message or find a contact. Out of frustration I bought him an iPhone3. A dream for an older bloke. So simple to use the apps and one button to get him to the home screen.

Then he discovered the camera.......

An old guy who was a techno moron and who hadn't picked up any camera in 40 years started taking photos. He took huge delight in showing us his ski trips, horses and wild parties. Somewhere around the iPhone 4 my Dad was showing off his latest trip and he was in most of the pictures. By accident he'd found the front camera and the grandpa selfie craze began. There were dozens of them.

My father is gone now and we still have those photos. I made prints for my mother. She has them pinned up everywhere.

Glort.... We have a different view of photography than "normal" people. We're the ones who see megapixels, noise and depth of field. They see memories and feel emotions. It's not them that's got the wrong idea. It's us.

Gordon



May 15, 2017 at 02:57 AM
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flash wrote:
Glort.... We have a different view of photography than "normal" people. We're the ones who see megapixels, noise and depth of field. They see memories and feel emotions. It's not them that's got the wrong idea. It's us.

Gordon


I agree with the sentiment but not the practicality of what you are saying. I think it's well documented and I am well scorned because I DON'T pay much attention to the MP and shadow details and other technicalities that most others do and are far more interested in the emotion and the memory.

I was more commenting on the Modern mindset we have now and the way technology has shaped the way we think. No longer is the camera the first recording devise that comes into out heads but a Phone. In fact I think the telecommunications capability of the devices is becoming an also ran.

Looking at my daughter and those I come in contact of her age, I'd say making or receiving a phone call is well down the list of things her device is used for. surfing the net, social media and texting would far outweigh the amount of calls she makes or gets. I believe it's a thing with a lot of younger people now not to take calls and it certainly is with a lot of people I know in business. If the phone does not come up with a familiar number they already have in the directory, more often than not they just won't answer. And despite what some may assume, the more successful and busy that person is, the more this applies.

The problem I see ( and have) with phones and camera's is people take the images they do make far too much for granted. The care even on the basic amateur level is much less when a phone is used rather than a camera. I have observed this dozens of times.

Someone takes a pic on a phone and it's kinda look this way and bang. Hand the same person a camera and say would you take one on this for me please and the whole Dynamic Changes. Now we are far more concerned about getting everyone right, moving this way or that to avoid distractions, looking and smiling and generally getting it right.

Every time a phone discussion comes out you get the old thing about how good they are and rival cameras etc but my repeated experience in pratacality is the complete opposite.
The phone pics I am repeatedly given are crap. Pure and utter. The same people give you pics taken on the same holiday and even location where they pulled out the camear and they are totally different. Not because the camera is better but because the care invest is much greater in getting a good pic.

Other problem is so many everyday people NEVER get round to backing their phone pic up.
Phone is lost, stolen, dropped over a cliff or in the river and all those pics are gone.
I have found the same people who never download a phone will be much better with their camera's.

The other thing is precisely as jay Says. They press a button and "just want magic to happen"
Bloody magic all right!.
I have had occasion a few times recently to frequent some Pubs and nightclubs to attend some birthday partys and functions and have seen it many times in restaurants.
People seem to heard together in the dimmest, darkest black hole of a corner in the joint and fire away with their Phones. Some seem to have supreme confidence in that little Built in LED lights ability to produce 5000W of light to illuminate the pic or just don't worry at all.

Either way, the dark, grainy and in reality useless pic that results is now deemed acceptable where not that long ago would have been rightfully dismissed as " Not turning out. "
Everyone paid attention to basic things like light when they took pics with a camera, now it's expected that the magic phone can operate with out any light at all.
A " good " pic these day seems to be one you can figure out eventually who is who in the shot... even if that is more from memory of whom you were next to at the time than the actual image itself.

I agree with teh memories and emotions but in the case of phones, there seems to be a very distinct lack of effort put into capturing and maintaing them that isn't the same when people use Phones.

In the case of your father Gordon, I'd say the fact he was old school made a lot of Difference.
When he was first taking pics it was an important, expensive and revered thing. Highly opposite to the fire away digital world today.
That's the thing that's being lost now, care and a sense of importance in image making.

It's not the technology that lets phones down in my view it's the attitude and mindset of 99% of the operators.



May 15, 2017 at 09:24 AM
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TheyCallMeJ wrote:
It is not going to happen and I believe this firmly.

Seeing the light and posing require thought process, time and skill, completely opposite of what the typical smartphone user desires. They just want to press a button and expect magic to happen. In many ways, smartphone images are great because they are easy to obtain and convenient.


Totally agree.

Having the recipe and watching some YouTube videos won't make me a chef, let alone build a Gordon Ramsay food empire.

As an analogy, I would say in this case the difference is that at home the people will just cook baked beans on toast or meat and 3 Veg. When they get into Ramsays Kitchen, they will feel a sense of importance and occasion and will actually put some effort into what they are doing given they have every tool for the job and there is fewer excuses other than to blame themselves. It's not the gear, it's the mindset it instills.

I see that the same with phones and camera's. With a phone, I'll grab a pic or 57 fast as I can of whatever is in front of me. With a camera, ok, everyone come this way, wait till I move, that TV behind you looks bad, ok, everyone look this way and you fix your shirt. And that's on a little P&S camera. hand them an SLR and the Care and time taken to get a GOOD picture is much greater.
I have seen it dozens of times.





May 15, 2017 at 09:41 AM
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LeeSimms wrote:
If smart phone users figure out how to see light, and pose people, we're dead.


And we already would have been throughout the history of Photography right from when kodak came out with " You push the button, we do the rest" which was one of the most successful marketing campaigns in history. :0)

Certainly learning how to take their own professional level pics t would have happened if it was going to when 35MM came out and again when the instamatics with their drop in cartridges appeared. There was the flood of Auto everything film camera's , electronic SLRs and TTL flash and of course Digital itself.

Nope, although I detect sarcasm, they will never learn just as most here won't have the inclination to learn how to do their own maintenance around their house with plumbing, electrical, landscaping or any else.

Probably what keeps most professions in business! :0)




May 15, 2017 at 10:15 AM
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glort wrote:
Went to a Mothers Day Lunch ( served at 5 PM) at the outlaws Yesterday.
With all but one Nice gathered at the table, Sister in law says she wants to get a picture to send missing family member being her daughter in Cambodia.

She jumps up from the table and says " I want to take a picture to send XXX, Wheres my phone?".

I jumped up and said " Oh, I need to call someone, where's my Fking camera??"

I was struck how the thought process is the first thing that comes to mind to take a picture
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The first thing I do when I want to check my email is look at my apple watch! (j/k, I'd never be seen dead with one)

The phone is is likely the best tool in this instance with no transferring of files from cards etc. It is probably not helped by all the people (actual photogs often being the worst offenders) with cameras that promise to send people the shot they took and never follow through.



May 15, 2017 at 10:59 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Sign of the ( Photographic) times.


glort wrote:
I was struck how the thought process is the first thing that comes to mind to take a picture is their phone instead of a camera.

The thought process is to share a moment quickly and easily. I do that all the time with my iPhone 6s, even when I have my DSLR handy.

My wife and I have made two trips to Europe recently. I was struck by how few DSLRs I saw. I also saw very few P&S, since the difference in convenience and IQ between a smart phone and a P&S for many is negligible.



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dhp_sf wrote:
Or another way to think of it:

It's amazing that we have the ability to capture fleeting moments in time without having to plan for it by using a small device that's on us and immediately send it to a loved one.... In certain light, phone cameras are more than adequate. And yet, people are still willing to spend thousands of dollars on photography services, even though we are at a point where the ease at which to acquire and learn how to use high quality equipment is at pretty much anyone's fingertip.


I was at a wedding last year and I saw a couple of girls trying to take a selfie with a window with a very bright mid-day light directly behind them. I saw them struggling with the phone going from blown out, to silhouette. I went over and gave them the readers digest version of where they want the light to be coming from, took a photo for them and moved on. A few weeks later she booked me for some family photos.

I've thought about this perspective a lot. I think that in someways people value good photography even more because of the smart phone. They get a sense of how difficult it is to compose a good photo, to find good light & capture fleeting moments. I forget who told this to me, but if your losing jobs to smart phone photography, you've got bigger problems than the phone it self.



May 15, 2017 at 02:37 PM
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The problem with DSLR's in their current form is that it's quite inconvenient to share the pictures quickly. People want to share their pic with the world right away, not the day after and certainly not weeks later.

It shoulnd't take too long before we start seeing serious camera's that have the same easy sharing ability as smartphones; I believe Samsung already tried to go down that road, although i'm not sure if it was a success.



May 15, 2017 at 03:55 PM
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My A7II let's me send to my phone with a button press, where I can further edit or put direct to Web for consumption. Ezpz

Jefzor wrote:
The problem with DSLR's in their current form is that it's quite inconvenient to share the pictures quickly. People want to share their pic with the world right away, not the day after and certainly not weeks later.

It shoulnd't take too long before we start seeing serious camera's that have the same easy sharing ability as smartphones; I believe Samsung already tried to go down that road, although i'm not sure if it was a success.




May 15, 2017 at 04:32 PM
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Whoever owns a Huawei P9 doesnt need a camera anymore unless being a pro.




May 15, 2017 at 04:36 PM
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dmacmillan wrote:
My wife and I have made two trips to Europe recently. I was struck by how few DSLRs I saw. I also saw very few P&S, since the difference in convenience and IQ between a smart phone and a P&S for many is negligible.


One of my specialists is out of town near a very busy tourist Location. Takes me as long to go the other way to see him as it would to get to the city so I'm happy to stay a patient as he's worth it.
I often go with the Mrs to the Tourist Destination just up the road for lunch to make an outing of it.

Last time we were there I saw the same thing. 1 camera and about 150 Phones from the bus loads of tourists. I actually sat on a seat near the lookout facing the wrong way just observing. Many of the Asian Tourists have their phones Kitted out with selfie sticks at a minimum but many have remote triggers and what appeared to be sunshades.

My daughter is going to Europe in a few weeks and a condition of our Contribution to the trip being cost of her airfares ( and whatever else she has loaded in since) was that she take a CAMERA with her and get lots of pics of her at these places as well as the places themselves.
I went to Buy her a nice little P&S camera last week but her being her didn't like the style of the one I picked ( at nearly $1000) because it looked " Old" .
Took her to the camera shop and said take your pick and she wasn't happy with any instead gravitating to the SLR's.

I'm surprised at this and doing all I can to warn her about carrying the thing around etc. She took the Grip off one of my rebels and seems happy with that.
I really would have thought she'd Prefer something she could put in a shirt pocket but as she said to me, I don't wear shirts with pockets anyway.
Offered to buy her a new SLR but she seems happy with whatever one I have atm 600? I think it is?

It's not exactly heavy but it's certainly a lot more bulky than even my G1X but if that's what she wants, that's what she can take. I know with her the way something looks is the all important factor.

The little P&S I was going to buy her had a Wi-fi feature that I think connected with ones phone to upload to Sm.

Maybe I should put the 600 in and have the shutter replaced and the thing gone over. Never been touched since I had it and the thing has been flogged. Don't want it to crap out on the trip.
Already have plenty of batteries for it but might buy a couple more and a charger for good measure.



May 15, 2017 at 10:36 PM
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I used to carry a dSLR with me religiously wherever we went. Now my Samsung android phone has a kickass camera and my camera stays at the studio where it belongs. Now I never have to worry about it getting stolen, or getting damaged, when I'm with my family having fun. And it's so easy to pull out my camera. And it does video! Woo-hoo!

For moments that you described, the phone camera is the way to go these days.



May 15, 2017 at 11:48 PM
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Ever try to let your camera phone focus in the dark?

Yea, its not pretty



May 16, 2017 at 01:21 AM
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I remember scanning my family's photos at the end of the film era. My Dad started with an Argus C3 in the 50's, then a baby Rollei in the 60's, then a Yachica rangefinder in the 70's ... and right about '74 or so everyone got consumed by the 110 bug. The family photos went to shite until I purchase my first camera an OM-1 in 1978.

In looking at those archives as a whole, when you got to the crappy low-fi images you ask, "wow, was the convenience worth it? Because these are really bad."As a result, my iPhone is only used as a last resort.

Personal journaling photography today is so bad, I had to get off of social media. It was funking up my mind. I only at images by pros now both living and dead. Keeps my head in the right place.



May 16, 2017 at 02:14 AM
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This is why god invented the X100t.


May 16, 2017 at 03:18 AM
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That phone is a camera.


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