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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


Hello all,

Please help me make a right decision between this two lights.

Mostly will be for outdoor portraits specially to overpower the sun and outdoor sports such as skateboarding, swimming.

From my understanding Pros and cons.
1. Profoto B1 HSS power start at 7-10 for Canon so sometime will be too bright
2. Profoto B1 offering TTL, it would be very good for sports. Very quick setup from Auto without using light meter and switch it to manual.
3. Profoto Telezoom Reflector is very expensive ($760) and Elinchom reflector 10.25" is only $120.

Thank you,







May 01, 2017 at 05:13 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


I haven't used any of these for extended periods of time (B2 user here), and I rarely use HSS or TTL, but I'll give you a bit of food for thoughts.

a) A Profoto technician told me that HSS wears the flash tube quicker than regular flash firing. One of the great things in that regard with Elinchrom or Broncolor's HS is that the flash behaves normally.

b) Rigging (light stand, mounting options, etc.) for a Quadra (or B2) head is quite different from rigging for a 3kg+ B1. The latter will require significantly stronger stands and a lot of sand bagging, particularly outdoor. Repair costs in case of accidents will be far higher than with a pack + head system.

c) There are cheaper alternatives to some of Profoto's hard reflectors but I think that others will have better information than me for that matter.

d) Ws is a very poor indicator of actual light output, particularly when using HSS or HS, and when considering the vast differences in efficiency between different modifiers (some of which you may not be able to properly mount on either one of these lights).

e) With HSS you loose quite a lot of power as you increase shutter speed - so even if Profoto's HSS is limited to the higher part of the power range, in practice that's where you will be most of the time.



May 01, 2017 at 10:35 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


Thank you, MayaTlab.


May 01, 2017 at 02:07 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


More advice please.


May 01, 2017 at 02:07 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


Im using Bowens 750 Pro and Gemini 400, decent system but only in studio. could be used outside but never tried.

What i would suggest is to check: Flashpoint XPLOR 600 HSS TTL $749

https://www.adorama.com/fplfx600tbc.html

For the price of one Profoto B1 monolight at: $2,095 you can get nearly 3x Flashoint monolights or 2x with many accesories. Flashpoint XPLOR 600 is the very same as Godox AD600BM just different brand. Very decent and affordable options. Check videos on Youtube.



May 04, 2017 at 02:09 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


But if you are only deciding between Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1 i'd go with B1 for the simple reason it has battery build in = less cables, more comfy to use.


May 04, 2017 at 02:22 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


milkod2001 wrote:
But if you are only deciding between Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1 i'd go with B1 for the simple reason it has battery build in = less cables, more comfy to use.


Which is more top heavy, so you will need sturdier (= heavier) lightstands and/ or heavier sandbags. There goes your comfort... I love separate pack and heads for exactly this reason, and the ELB lights weighs practically nothing. I own 2 quadra packs with 2 HS heads, I can shoot up to 1/8000 without losing too much power. i'm very happy with this flash system.


Edited on May 05, 2017 at 08:42 AM · View previous versions



May 04, 2017 at 10:31 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


Thank you everyone for your input. More input are welcome.


May 05, 2017 at 12:55 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


You also need to realize that the ELB 400 is only 6.9-Stop Power Range, whereas both B1 and B2 are 9-Stop Power Range.
For me, this is YUGE because I use my strobes at weddings a lot (with zoom reflectors) and more often than not, the 1/256 power setting is my best friend at low lit venues.
I know you want to use this for outdoor/overpowering the sun stuff so this isn't a problem for you.

The ONLY time I would use TTL on B1 + B2 would be when I dial my settings in camera and take a first test shot to get me "close" to where I need to be. From there, I just switch to manual (while retaining the settings TTL gave me) and adjust power from there.
Otherwise TTL is useless for me; I never use it for actual shoots.

And of course, the LEB package is cheaper. Includes a reflector in the price too...



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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


Thank you,


May 07, 2017 at 01:42 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


There are adapters available for mounting Elinchrom light modifiers to Profoto heads. I've used them to mount Elinchrom Rotalux softboxes and square reflectors to Profoto heads.


May 07, 2017 at 05:59 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


Thank you,


May 08, 2017 at 02:26 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


How about Broncolor Siros 800L?


May 10, 2017 at 06:05 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


Broncolor stuff is very nice but way too expensive for me. A Siros 800L has twice the max power of the ELB 400 which will give you a full stop advantage over the ELB and almost that much over the Profoto B1. You should ask yourself though if you need that extra power and if you are willing to pay a premium price for this...

Like the B1 the Siros is a system without cables which is nice but does mean a more top heavy system. Which I am personally not very fond off. Another advantage of the ELB system to me is the fact that you can connect 2 flash heads on one pack. Yes, it will divert the power in a 1/3 and 2/3 ratio but still... It can be pretty handy at times and it is something the B1 nor the Siros 800L can do...



May 11, 2017 at 06:08 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


Thank you so much, Mark.




May 11, 2017 at 09:24 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


I have no experience with profoto or the elb 400 but I love my quadra lights they have an ttl option that isn't ttl but works with ttl lights. You set you ttl lights in my case canon speedlites the trigger them the quadra now knows when to flash with the ttl lights you still have to manually set the lights. From what I've seen you should be able to set up several lights in groups that work together or indipendant of each other skateboarders usually have paths they will use depending on trick so a little info up front from the subjects should work out the ttl problems.


May 12, 2017 at 03:11 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Elinchrom ELB 400 or Profoto B1


Thank you, Michael White.


May 12, 2017 at 04:49 AM







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