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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


morrismike wrote:
The 180 is amazing. I've been wanting a 80-200 two ring but I have a 80-400G and seem to get by with that.


Is a totally different lens with the 80-400g. Here is a shot from my 80-200 2 ring with the back focusing fix. Is close to macro distance at F4 177mm

untitled by vracing, on Flickr

I rarely shoot beyond F3.5 with my 80-200. At f2.8, you get a bit of CA and blooming..depending on the light condition. By F3.5, they are all gone. By F4, the lens reaches its peak sharpness...assuming you get a copy which is well behaved..



Apr 23, 2017 at 12:48 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


Back in my film days I owned the 180/2.8 three times, each time thinking it would be a more comfortable choice than whichever version of the 80-200/2.8 I owned at that time. Every time I used it I found myself missing the flexibility of the zoom.

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Apr 23, 2017 at 03:26 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


Danny W. wrote:
Back in my film days I owned the 180/2.8 three times, each time thinking it would be a more comfortable choice than whichever version of the 80-200/2.8 I owned at that time. Every time I used it I found myself missing the flexibility of the zoom.

Danny W.


Yes it really comes down to focal length. If you will likely use the whole range then the zoom is obviously more useful. I am someone who typically grabbed the 80-200mm for the long end so I found the 180mm to be a better fit for me. When I wanted 80-135mm I would grab a different prime.




Apr 23, 2017 at 04:10 AM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


I'd wager that most use the 180mm these days as a poor man's 200/f2 for portraits, given its size and IQ edge over the 80-200mm. If you need the flexibility of a zoom then you're probably not using that focal length for portrait work, but rather, action/event type work.


Apr 23, 2017 at 03:01 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


180mm on a crop body is nuts for weddings etc.. - that 270mm. I am not aware of a wedding or portrait photographer that shoots with this length - 105-135 being the current "flavour". If you already own the 70-200
or even the 80-200 - you will have a lot more versatility.

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Apr 23, 2017 at 10:36 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


agrumpyoldsod wrote:
180mm on a crop body is nuts for weddings etc.. - that 270mm. I am not aware of a wedding or portrait photographer that shoots with this length - 105-135 being the current "flavour". If you already own the 70-200
or even the 80-200 - you will have a lot more versatility.

You would be far better off upgrading your D7000 body and buying a D750.


I don't own either of the lenses and I don't do weddings (don't need THAT kind of stress). It would be candids at some distance, focusing primarily on candid headshots.



Apr 23, 2017 at 11:29 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


MN_Migrant wrote:
I'd wager that most use the 180mm these days as a poor man's 200/f2 for portraits, given its size and IQ edge over the 80-200mm. If you need the flexibility of a zoom then you're probably not using that focal length for portrait work, but rather, action/event type work.


Poor mans 200/f2? The eagle that is heavily cropped beyond belief would disagree.





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Apr 24, 2017 at 01:25 AM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


The 180 at f2.8 is quite noticeably sharper than the 80-200 at 2.8 and the same focal length setting; the 80-200 AF-D loses a fair bit wide open beyond about 140. Not too much difference at f4 and below.

However, note that the 180 is an internal focusing lens and IF lenses of that era tend to trigger purple fringing on digital. I have not used the 180 on digital so can't speak directly to that; I have used the 80-200 AF-D on digital and the same slight deterioration on film at the long end shows up on digital. Still, overall a good lens.



Apr 25, 2017 at 02:36 AM
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Daniel Bliss wrote:
The 180 at f2.8 is quite noticeably sharper than the 80-200 at 2.8 and the same focal length setting; the 80-200 AF-D loses a fair bit wide open beyond about 140. Not too much difference at f4 and below.

However, note that the 180 is an internal focusing lens and IF lenses of that era tend to trigger purple fringing on digital. I have not used the 180 on digital so can't speak directly to that; I have used the 80-200 AF-D on digital and the same slight deterioration on film at the long end shows up on digital. Still,
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It is quite easy to correct in LR. In the immature eagle pic I took and posted a few responses earlier, every twig had a fringe. I removed the fringe yet the depth remained. CA is not the bogeyman and a small (correctable) price to pay for nice pics.



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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


morrismike wrote:
Poor mans 200/f2? The eagle that is heavily cropped beyond belief would disagree.


I think you miss this person's intent with that comment, which is one I've made myself many times. I've owned two copies of the AI-s version of the 180 f/2.8 and each cost $300. Considering the second is absolutely mint, I think I got a great deal. Wide open the lens creates a delicious bokeh, of the sort created by the 200 f/2, but for one tenth the price, or if you're comparing only manual focus lenses, one seventh the price. That means it is an awesome performer that is incredible value for the money... hence the poor man's 200 f/2...






Apr 26, 2017 at 02:16 AM
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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


CGrindahl wrote:
I think you miss this person's intent with that comment, which is one I've made myself many times. I've owned two copies of the AI-s version of the 180 f/2.8 and each cost $300. Considering the second is absolutely mint, I think I got a great deal. Wide open the lens creates a delicious bokeh, of the sort created by the 200 f/2, but for one tenth the price, or if you're comparing only manual focus lenses, one seventh the price. That means it is an awesome performer that is incredible value for the money... hence the poor man's 200
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Apr 27, 2017 at 02:09 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


Missed your comment Michael.


Apr 27, 2017 at 05:34 PM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


I have the 80-200 two ring. It does suffer from purple fringing under f4 and back focusing at 200m, as was said a while earlier. I was wasting so much time fixing things in LR that I bought the 70-200 vr2 and everything just works now. it's great.

That said, I still do use the 80-200 regularly. It's as sharp as the new telezooms when it wants to be. However, in a portrait setting, I generally opt for my cheapo but still sharp 85mm 1.8D. Main reason is I don't like being very far from my subjects. I tend to stay around 15 feet from my people.



Apr 27, 2017 at 06:18 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


I own the 2 ring 80-200 f2,8 AF-D.
Owned the 85 f1,8 AF-D and own the 85 f1,4 AF-D
My girlfriend owns the 180 f2,8 AF-D
She bought the Sigma 135 f1,8 Art yesterday

We both own quite a few manual focus lenses in this range as well.

From that experience I can say that:

The 80-200 f2,8 AF-D is not the sharpest lens beyond 165mm. Up until there, it is sharp, but at T3,4 it's not a fast lens at that range. For portraits around the 80-135mm range, I mount a different lens EVERY TIME. (excuse the capitals. They are here to emphasize the percentage, nothing more, nothing less

The 180mm f2,8 AF/AF-D is more contrasty and clear wide open AND it is a T3,1 lens, so it is almost a third of a stop faster, which is noticable in the OoF rendering as well as the shutter speeds used.

(It's also sharper at 180mm. Less so at any other focal distance)

The 85mm f1,8 AF-D is a very sharp and contrasty lens. Also fastest AF I know of. It renders horribly busy backgrounds though, so it went. The 85 f1,4 AF-D came and will stay, even with the SIgma 135mm f1,8 Art around.

The Sigma will be your ticket if you want a perfect lens, with a focal length at the halfway point of 80-200. I'm not sure how it handles TC's. The AF is too slow (on D3 and D800) to track action, but it's quite brisk to acquire focus.

The 180mm is your lens if you are looking at a budget and the longer end of the zoom range.

If you don't mind focusing manually, the 80-200 f4 Ai-S is a great substitute for the 80-200 f2,8 AF-D. It is an f4 lens. Not sure about the actual light transmission, but it's closer in rendering to the 80-200 f2,8 then the 180 f2,8 at ~180mm wide open.

The pros of the Ai-S lens:
$100 lens
Perfectly sharp at ALL apertures and at all focal lengths
Real 200mm instead of the ~185mm the 80-200 AF-D has at the 200mm setting (and the 135mm the 70-200 VRII has at the 200mm setting), even at MFD
1,2m MFD
smaller, lighter, cheaper, and a 62mm filter thread

The cons:
No AF (if that is a con for you)



Apr 28, 2017 at 07:48 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


the solitaire wrote:
I own the 2 ring 80-200 f2,8 AF-D.
Owned the 85 f1,8 AF-D and own the 85 f1,4 AF-D
My girlfriend owns the 180 f2,8 AF-D
She bought the Sigma 135 f1,8 Art yesterday

We both own quite a few manual focus lenses in this range as well.

From that experience I can say that:

The 80-200 f2,8 AF-D is not the sharpest lens beyond 165mm. Up until there, it is sharp, but at T3,4 it's not a fast lens at that range. For portraits around the 80-135mm range, I mount a different lens EVERY TIME. (excuse the capitals. They are here to emphasize the
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The AF D 80-200 optimal focal length is 105mm. Is tack sharp at f2.8. Shooting with a crop body would work. Again, I am talking about a fully working and behaving 80-200mm here.




Apr 28, 2017 at 10:11 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


I find the 80-200 usable wide open from 80-165mm where it gives me sharp images at 100% crops on my D3. I also used the lens on a D300 where I liked it better


Apr 28, 2017 at 11:41 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · 180 af 2.8 vs. 80-200 2.8D


the solitaire wrote:
I find the 80-200 usable wide open from 80-165mm where it gives me sharp images at 100% crops on my D3. I also used the lens on a D300 where I liked it better


I think is more than just usable at 200mm f2.8. Is actually pretty good... I use the lens for cycling race photography and I use f3.5 for the most part.

I have been physically recalibrating my D7000 for the past few days. And have done tons of test shots with my lens. This is one of the test shots from today.... If the lens is back focusing, you would see excessive fringing on the shinny sliver logo. Right now, it has that glow to it. At F3.5, the glow is pretty much gone...

Shot this with a D7000 and exported to Capture One in the default setting. I could even add some sharpening and structures in order to enhance the shot with more details.
testing_2736 by vracing, on Flickr



Apr 29, 2017 at 12:16 AM
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