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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


Question for the pros from the new guy (first post!):

I've been milling around the idea of picking up the older 4/3 Oly 50-200mm 2.8-3.5 to fill out my range for my EM1.1. So my multi-step question for you folks would be:

...has anyone else shot with this combo?

...if yes, do you see a big difference in the SWD vs non-SWD versions?

...does the 40-150 2.8 Pro out class it enough to spend 2x+ the price?

...or just spend the money on the new 12-100 4 Pro?

Any and all data would be super awesome.



Mar 21, 2017 at 01:10 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


I have the SWD version and the 300f4 rather than the 40-150, and assuming the Pro lenses perform similarly I have to say the 50-200 is a great option. With the MMF-3 adapter it's a bit larger but you get longer focal length as well. AF is almost as fast as the Pro, and with the EC14 quality is still excellent.

I haven't used the non-SWD but I think I read Oly won't service them anymore as they're quite old, you may want to verify though.

The downsides are weight and no compatibility with other m4/3 bodies except the EM1.2.



Mar 21, 2017 at 11:25 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


Awesome, thanks for the data!


Mar 21, 2017 at 11:57 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


There's a Panasonic Leica 50-200 f/2.8-4 on the roadmap for hopefully later this year if you're looking for that range.


Mar 24, 2017 at 10:51 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


With the MMF3 adaptor I would think that you can mount any 4/3 lens to any m43 body. No?

Bobg657 wrote:
The downsides are weight and no compatibility with other m4/3 bodies except the EM1.2.





Mar 25, 2017 at 12:21 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


The PL 50-200 should be an awesome lens. I am looking forward to all the new PL lenses - they should all be very good.

TMaG82 wrote:
There's a Panasonic Leica 50-200 f/2.8-4 on the roadmap for hopefully later this year if you're looking for that range.




Mar 25, 2017 at 12:23 AM
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bobbytan wrote:
With the MMF3 adaptor I would think that you can mount any 4/3 lens to any m43 body. No?



That's right Bobby, but af will only be reasonable on an EM1.1 or 1.2 on most 4/3 lenses. Incidentally, Oly is selling the remaining 4/3 inventory at 50% off now.



Mar 25, 2017 at 02:13 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


I am well ahead of you. As a matter of fact I may have snagged the last copy of the 150/2. Mitesh tried to order one but it's already sold out! Odd thing is Olympus is not offering the discount through its retailers like B&H.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1429904/89#13972929

Re AF with the MMF3 adaptor - this is what K-H had to say about it:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1429904/89#13972984

Bobg657 wrote:
That's right Bobby, but af will only be reasonable on an EM1.1 or 1.2 on most 4/3 lenses. Incidentally, Oly is selling the remaining 4/3 inventory at 50% off now.



Mar 25, 2017 at 03:11 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


Sit rep: I got the 50-200 SWDand the Oly adaptor. AF is good but def NOT spectacular. There's a very clear difference between the new Pro lenses and this. That said, it's completely usable from my quick tests around my office and the IQ looks great so far.


Mar 27, 2017 at 10:10 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


I have both. I like the Oly 50-200 SWD. The 40-150 pro is a hair sharper and slightly faster to focus, but the bokeh can get nervous more easily too.

I don't hesitate to use the 50-200 SWD ahead of the 40-150 pro, and probably use it more because the range is more useful. Downside is the weight and size. It feels about 25 per cent bigger and heavier than the pro lens.

You will want a grip with either, but especially the 50-200.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


The 40-150 PRO lens resolution is significantly more impressive compared to the 50-200 SWD.

http://www.lenstip.com/201.4-Lens_review-Olympus_Zuiko_Digital_ED_50-200_mm_f_2.8-3.5_SWD_Image_resolution.html

http://www.lenstip.com/479.4-Lens_review-Olympus_M.Zuiko_Digital_40-150_mm_f_2.8_ED_PRO_Image_resolution.html








Mar 28, 2017 at 04:39 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


bobbytan wrote:
With the MMF3 adaptor I would think that you can mount any 4/3 lens to any m43 body. No?

Sure, it'll mount to any m43 cam, but it won't AF worth a damn...



Mar 30, 2017 at 01:16 PM
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ijm5012 wrote:
Sure, it'll mount to any m43 cam, but it won't AF worth a damn...


Have you tried with an E-M1.2?



Mar 30, 2017 at 01:38 PM
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mitesh wrote:
Have you tried with an E-M1.2?


I tried the non-SWD as well as the SWD on the E-M1, and both AF'd just fine. I tried them both on a GH4, and they didn't AF worth a damn (it eventually found focus, but took many seconds).

I sold the non-SWD after comparing it to the SWD side-by-side, and use the SWD on my E-M1 II. The AF is better on the E-M1 II than it was on the E-M1 due to the increased number of PDAF points, and the fact that they're now all cross-type.



Mar 30, 2017 at 04:26 PM
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ijm5012 wrote:
I tried the non-SWD as well as the SWD on the E-M1, and both AF'd just fine. I tried them both on a GH4, and they didn't AF worth a damn (it eventually found focus, but took many seconds).

I sold the non-SWD after comparing it to the SWD side-by-side, and use the SWD on my E-M1 II. The AF is better on the E-M1 II than it was on the E-M1 due to the increased number of PDAF points, and the fact that they're now all cross-type.


OK, Bobby's post that you quoted was referring to 4/3 lenses in general being adaptable via MMF3, but it seems that you were talking about certain specific lenses. I was just curious to clarify because others have been generally happy with other lenses like Zuiko 150/2 adapted and I have a couple of Zuiko lenses coming my way soon.



Mar 30, 2017 at 04:55 PM
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mitesh wrote:
OK, Bobby's post that you quoted was referring to 4/3 lenses in general being adaptable via MMF3, but it seems that you were talking about certain specific lenses. I was just curious to clarify because others have been generally happy with other lenses like Zuiko 150/2 adapted and I have a couple of Zuiko lenses coming my way soon.


No, if you look at what I quoted from bobby (which I've included below), you'll see that he asks if any 4/3 lens can be adapted to a m43 body with an MMF-3.

I responded with "Sure, it'll mount to any m43 cam, but it won't AF worth a damn", which is true. The vast majority of 4/3 lenses were designed for PDAF, which 4/3 cameras had but m43 did not, up until the release of the E-M1. Even today, the only two m43 cameras that have PDAF are the E-M1, and E-M1 II.

There were a few 4/3 lenses that were designed for CDAF and work pretty well, and those lenses are:
- 9-18 f/4-5.6
- 14-54 II f/2.8-3.5
- 75-300 f/4-5.6

Of those, the only one that's really worth a damn is the 14-54 II, as the others have already been duplicated as native m43 lenses, and thus focus faster, are smaller, and lighter. The rest of the 4/3 lenses aren't really useful on the majority of m43 cameras unless you are in ideal light, your subject isn't moving, and you don't mind waiting a few seconds for AF confirmation.

Those people that are happy with the 150 f/2 are either shooting it on the E-M1/E-M1 II, or manually focusing it on another m43 body.

bobbytan wrote:
With the MMF3 adaptor I would think that you can mount any 4/3 lens to any m43 body. No?

ijm5012 wrote:
Sure, it'll mount to any m43 cam, but it won't AF worth a damn...





Mar 30, 2017 at 06:35 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


It is probably worth noting that manual focus is also a consideration for many situations. I use the 50-200 on an EM1.1 with an adaptor. It autofocuses smartly but it's no speed demon. Manual focus is great, particularly combined with focus peaking or focal spot magnification. Comparing to my late but not lamented Canon 100-400 L, it is a stop faster visually sharper in its rendering and it focuses much better. What is not to like?


Mar 30, 2017 at 07:08 PM
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nma wrote:
It is probably worth noting that manual focus is also a consideration for many situations. I use the 50-200 on an EM1.1 with an adaptor. It autofocuses smartly but it's no speed demon. Manual focus is great, particularly combined with focus peaking or focal spot magnification. Comparing to my late but not lamented Canon 100-400 L, it is a stop faster visually sharper in its rendering and it focuses much better. What is not to like?


That's true, I used the non-SWD for a number of months on my GH4, before purchasing an E-M1 and then SWD.

I should note that even as a MF lens, the SWD variant is much nicer to use because it's a fully mechanical connection between the focus ring and the group of elements in the lens, but the normal 50-200 is still very easy to use as a MF lens (plus it can be had for less than an SWD, making it even more economical).

The problem with MF is that many people are scared off by it, but it's not that difficult. In fact, some of my favorite lenses (my Voigtlander Nokton f/0.95's) are entirely MF and a joy to use.




Mar 30, 2017 at 07:51 PM
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Just to amplify the virtues of 50-200 and manual focus (MF): When the 50-200 is used on a tripod, MF is often the best choice for focusing. The EVF can be set to magnify the focus point, up to 14x on the EM1.1, making it dead nuts easy to achieve critical focus. MF is also easy when hand-holding this little beastie. Then it is best to use focus peaking. As noted by ijm512, the mechanical linkage has just the right throw, the whole range can be covered with one continuous movement of the wrist. It should be noted that features such as focus bracketing and focus stacking are not supported by the EM1.1 for this M43 lens. Pity.


Mar 30, 2017 at 08:39 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Oly 4/3 50-200mm And Some Other Options?


If you are interested, I know someone who is selling a 50-200 mk1 for $275. I own the lens too, and while it isn't Instantaneous focus, it works well on my E-M1. I have no complaints using it.


May 11, 2017 at 04:28 PM
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