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Jochenb wrote:
I returned my decentered copy and tried another one. Again decentered.
Again not just very mild decentering, but very pronounced.

BTW, I also tried the 24-70 GM again and yes, you can already guess it. Same story. Badly decentered at most focal lengths.
It's certainly not my camera, because my lenses that are fine were also fine on my previous A7 series.
I'm REALLY losing my patience with Sony. Their lack of quality control is a disgrace.
I envy the people here that hardly ever get faulty gear.

I quite like the FE 85/1.8, but for now I went
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Are you getting them shipped to you? Could be an issue with transit.

Personal anecdote, take with grain of salt. But I noticed that the Zeiss Batis lens we received was extremely well-packaged with TONS of packaging foam, large bubble wrap, and the lens was nested tightly in a shaped foam in the box. Our Batis 85 lens has been impeccable. We even got a (presumably) custom MTF chart of our copy of the lens.







Meanwhile every Sony lens we've received has been loosely packed with only a very thin layer of bubble wrap, and the lens has tons of space to rattle inside the box. We've gotten a few decentered/problematic Sony lenses. They really need better packaging and protection for their lenses. They do a great job keeping the bodies well-protected with formed cardbox boxes ensuring rigidity, but no such protection for their lenses!



Apr 28, 2017 at 07:04 PM
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Interesting. The Batis packing looks superb. I'd also guess the Batis has higher QC standards (than the 85mm) but perhaps not.

What retailer have you found provides the best external packing job (regardless of manufacturer)?

RoseandCharles wrote:
Are you getting them shipped to you? Could be an issue with transit.

Personal anecdote, take with grain of salt. But I noticed that the Zeiss Batis lens we received was extremely well-packaged with TONS of packaging foam, large bubble wrap, and the lens was nested tightly in a shaped foam in the box. Our Batis 85 lens has been impeccable. We even got a (presumably) custom MTF chart of our copy of the lens.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/batisDE.jpg

Meanwhile every Sony lens we've received has been loosely packed with only a very thin layer of bubble wrap, and the lens has tons of space
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Apr 28, 2017 at 08:45 PM
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p.22 #3 · p.22 #3 · Sony FE 85mm f/1.8 lens Review


I don't believe this happens during delivery. It mostly likely happens during lens production. Any slight tilt in one or more elements will translate to ill effects on our high MP sensors at 1:1 magnification.

I've tried two FE 85/1.8 lenses. One was from @GMPhotography, which was perfectly centered and another brand new which was severely decentered (element tilt). So, the odds for me were 50/50.

Since I have had better luck with Zeiss lenses (Not Zeiss/Sony), I gave an used Batis 85/1.8 (~$800) a try and got very lucky.

I was able to compare the Batis vs FE vs ZM.



Apr 28, 2017 at 11:36 PM
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I agree it is probably during production. Crossing my fingers for a good copy when it comes in next week.

This may be a topic that warrants its own thread but what is everyone here's experience with copy variation pertaining to certain retailers? I've heard rumors that some retailers (maybe all?) simply "refurbish" and resell lenses as new that were returned as poor copies. Does anyone have insider insight on this? I'm wondering if it's more prevalent in larger companies like B&H with a higher influx of returns and lenient return policies. Thoughts?

A friend of mine swears he was sold a used Rokinon 14mm f2.8 from B&H but it was good and cheap enough that he just kept it. He said there was a fairly significant amount of dust in the lens and a hairline crack of some sort in the body but neither seemed to affect performance.

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I don't believe this happens during delivery. It mostly likely happens during lens production. Any slight tilt in one or more elements will translate to ill effects on our high MP sensors at 1:1 magnification.

I've tried two FE 85/1.8 lenses. One was from @GMPhotography@, which was perfectly centered and another brand new which was severely decentered (element tilt). So, the odds for me were 50/50.

Since I have had better luck with Zeiss lenses (Not Zeiss/Sony), I gave an used Batis 85/1.8 (~$800) a try and got very lucky.

I was able to compare the Batis vs FE vs ZM.




Apr 28, 2017 at 11:43 PM
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RoseandCharles wrote:
Meanwhile every Sony lens we've received has been loosely packed with only a very thin layer of bubble wrap, and the lens has tons of space to rattle inside the box. We've gotten a few decentered/problematic Sony lenses. They really need better packaging and protection for their lenses. They do a great job keeping the bodies well-protected with formed cardbox boxes ensuring rigidity, but no such protection for their lenses!

Totally agree. Batis packaging assumes the retailer is going to throw the bare product into a cardboard box and park it on the shipping dockóB&H is certainly guilty in this regard. Sony needs to be similarly proactive, especially with the high-end optics. My 100 STF GM was shipped inside the included lens case, but 4mm of bubble wrap won't protect the precious content if the orange Sony box takes a hit. They can probably afford some vacuum-formed insulation with a $1500 lens!



Apr 29, 2017 at 12:08 AM
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How's the af on this lens? Trying to decide between it, a tamron 85, and an ef 85 1.8. Would like native for eye af but focus speed is more important.


Apr 29, 2017 at 06:52 AM
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Jimi3 wrote:
How's the af on this lens? Trying to decide between it, a tamron 85, and an ef 85 1.8. Would like native for eye af but focus speed is more important.


If you want fast and reliable AF, you might as well rule out the Tamron and Canon lenses - unless you plan to use them on a Canon body...

The native FE mount lens is always going to be faster focusing on a Sony body, and considerably so in low-light conditions.



Apr 29, 2017 at 07:15 PM
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Totally agree. As much as I liked the flat field, close focus performance, bokeh, and manual focus feel of the Tamron, it cannot compete with the FE 85/1.8 in terms of both focus speed and accuracy. When you factor in Eye AF, there is no good reason to prefer the Tamron. The EF may focus slightly faster than the Tammy but as molson pointed out the native lens is going to focus faster. The FE 85/1.8 provides real value for money.

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If you want fast and reliable AF, you might as well rule out the Tamron and Canon lenses - unless you plan to use them on a Canon body...

The native FE mount lens is always going to be faster focusing on a Sony body, and considerably so in low-light conditions.




Apr 30, 2017 at 06:59 AM
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molson wrote:
If you want fast and reliable AF, you might as well rule out the Tamron and Canon lenses - unless you plan to use them on a Canon body...

The native FE mount lens is always going to be faster focusing on a Sony body, and considerably so in low-light conditions.


Right. Stupid question I guess here's another - anybody compare af speed on the Sony with the Batis? (Since the Batis used isn't that much more).



Apr 30, 2017 at 07:05 AM
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molson wrote:
If you want fast and reliable AF, you might as well rule out the Tamron and Canon lenses - unless you plan to use them on a Canon body...


Not true. I shoot Canon lenses on my A7R2 (with MB IV) and I have very fast and reliable AF, including in lower light. AF is only slow in the super-telephoto range, and this is especially true when you add super low light with a f/5.6 lens.




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Sony A7RII + Sony FE 85mm F1.8 by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr


Sony A7RII + Sony FE 85mm F1.8 by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



Apr 30, 2017 at 07:06 PM
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p.22 #12 · p.22 #12 · Sony FE 85mm f/1.8 lens Review


Used mine at a volleyball game yesterday - mostly for static candids and some pre-focused action shots. Have not digested them yet, but hopefully I can share a few later on today.

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Apr 30, 2017 at 07:26 PM
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Apr 30, 2017 at 07:29 PM
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p.22 #14 · p.22 #14 · Sony FE 85mm f/1.8 lens Review


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I was able to compare the Batis vs FE vs ZM.


Did you post your findings somewhere? I'm interested in the results.



May 01, 2017 at 12:59 AM
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Received my copy of the 85mm today. As has been discussed, packing is not the best with Sony lenses. The lens was slightly loose in the box, just wrapped with bubble wrap. As for the outer packing from Focus Camera there were two airbags with significant room for the lens to slide back and forth ~2". Could easily "thunk" the lens box in the outer packing when shaking.
Initial test results are fairly promising. The first thing I noticed is that focusing appears to be slower than the 55mm f1.8 that I'm used to while shooting in AF-C wide.

It doesn't "feel" slower but I had many more OOF shots that I attributed to the lens not keeping up along with slightly shallower DOF. Camera firmware is the newest version (3.30). I tried a test of my nephew running towards me from a distance (20ft?) at f1.8 in wide AF-C 5fps burst and every shot was out of focus. This was with the A7RII. The 55mm on my old A7II easily handled this situation, only getting OOF when he got very close to the camera. I'll have to do more testing.

Some various "brick wall" (fence and wooden door) tests show fairly significant vignetting at f1.8 and softness in the corners/edges (LR profile helped with this). I haven't done thorough testing for decentering but included a fence shot that I tried to be as level as possible and a fair distance away (10ft+) as to limit DOF issues. It's not scientific by any means.

Rendering is pleasing. Most of the shots I took were full mid-day sun with some of the busiest backgrounds possible (close distance foliage). It handled them reasonably well, not as well as I've seen the GM do but good enough with some thought about background placement.

Colors were so-so but I think it was more a matter of the harsh lighting and A7RII WB/colors which I continue to struggle with. I messed with some of these files a bit including hue/saturation/luminance so take them with a grain of salt. Sharpening was at the default 25 for some and 50 for others.

Thoughts on this copy so far? Also any tips on the best way to test for decentering with an 85mm in terms of distance, etc.?




  ILCE-7RM2    FE 85mm F1.8 lens    85mm    f/1.8    1/640s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM2    FE 85mm F1.8 lens    85mm    f/1.8    1/8000s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM2    FE 85mm F1.8 lens    85mm    f/1.8    1/800s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM2    FE 85mm F1.8 lens    85mm    f/1.8    1/2000s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  ILCE-7RM2    FE 85mm F1.8 lens    85mm    f/1.8    1/2500s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  




May 03, 2017 at 06:02 AM
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p.22 #16 · p.22 #16 · Sony FE 85mm f/1.8 lens Review


I think the AF of the 85/1.8 is on the slow side as well (compared to my m43 fast lenses) and not as reliable in general as what I'm used to.

Still, when the focus is nailed for candids the sharpness wide open in the central region is pretty darned good.

Every time I though it was giving me less that eyelash-sharp results it turns out to be a focus error.




May 04, 2017 at 12:37 AM
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I agree. I was a bit disheartened when first testing the lens because the majority were soft but I think it was almost exclusively due to focus issues. How is your copy in terms of sharpness compared to what I posted? (keeping in my I applied the default Lightroom sharpening (25) and 50 in some shots.)

jhinkey wrote:
I think the AF of the 85/1.8 is on the slow side as well (compared to my m43 fast lenses) and not as reliable in general as what I'm used to.

Still, when the focus is nailed for candids the sharpness wide open in the central region is pretty darned good.

Every time I though it was giving me less that eyelash-sharp results it turns out to be a focus error.





May 04, 2017 at 12:52 AM
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AlphaPhotography wrote:
I agree. I was a bit disheartened when first testing the lens because the majority were soft but I think it was almost exclusively due to focus issues. How is your copy in terms of sharpness compared to what I posted? (keeping in my I applied the default Lightroom sharpening (25) and 50 in some shots.)



I'd say it's pretty close - I'm very happy with the sharpness at distances for candid shots - it's just not the most reliable focusing system - perhaps I'm spoiled by my m43 gear that for non-action stuff is amazingly accurate and very consistent.



May 07, 2017 at 12:14 AM
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I, personally, have found this lense to be ultra fast focusing and exceptionally sharp. I picked mine up on a recent trip to korea - here are a few snaps (almost all are in AF-C mode, all shots on the A7II).

This lense renders gorgeously, to the point that I didn't take it off the camera once I bought it.

Purple fringing is average to poor wide open, these images are not corrected for it in post to show that.

Images are not sharpened after resize during export.

It should be noted that I am not a hobbyist but a working shooter, so there are no official tests that I did to measure and others mileage on this may vary.

First test shot in store, wide open (lense pictured is a Minolta 55 I believe):

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May 09, 2017 at 11:57 AM
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One I actually got to edit properly








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