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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Sell all lenses for 24-70mm 2.8 ii ?


1: Used to shoot with just a 24-70. Appreciated the simplicity.

2: Miss that simplicity - constantly second guessing myself. Zoom = freedom from lens changes.

3: Now use primes. I often rely on a 35 f1.4 + 100mm Macro. Which, to me, is more powerful than a 24-70. I can happily travel with those two lenses.

4: I often find myself in situations where f2.8 won't cut it - hence the 35 f1.4. And I often find myself frustrated by long MFD's (an inescapable part of an 85) and the macro solves that.

You can tie your brain in knots trying to solve this one. Best thing is to go with the one (either primes or a zoom) that gives you a sense of calm and happiness.

Despite some people advocating owning both, sometimes having primes and zooms in the cabinet can lead to confusion.



Jan 20, 2017 at 07:31 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Sell all lenses for 24-70mm 2.8 ii ?


I'm wondering if the 24-70 f/4 L might give you a lighter zoom package for a bit less money, and allow you to keep one of your faster lenses for those times when you want it.



Jan 20, 2017 at 10:38 PM
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asr10user wrote:
I guess the title is a bit exaggerated. But I have three lenses, 35mm f2 IS, 40mm 2.8, and 85mm 1.8. I am thinking of selling the 35 and 85 to fund the 24-70 2.8ii.


6D + 35mm f/2 IS + 85mm f/1.8 is a reasonable travel kit. I already had the 85 and came close to buying the other two pieces to go with it. In the end, I got a fixed-focal-length compact instead (see below).

At first I was thinking of just adding something to the wide end, but I have a feeling the 24-70 will get me everything I want.

How do you know 24mm is wide enough?

My main concern is the size/weight of the 24-70. I previously had the 35mm Sigma art but didnt really use it due to weight.

I think you've answered your own question here. I'd add that heavier lenses can sometimes seem less heavy on a heavier body. Many of the people using these heavy lenses will be using them on bigger bodies than your 6D. But I would think the f/4 zooms should be all right on the 6D.

I do plan on keeping the 40mm as I love its size/price/quality.

Considering the 35mm f/2 IS is only 200g heavier and a stop faster I think you need to stop and ask whether a DSLR kit is appropriate for you on those occasions when you'd take the 40mm. I assume the trouble is that extra 200g is the straw that breaks the camel's back, but with the 40mm most of the weight is your 6D body. There are better ways of getting this done, namely fixed-lens compact cameras. The one I use is the original Sony RX-1, whcih is full frame and has a 35mm f/2 lens. The whole camera weighs less than a typical f/4 Canon zoom or less tnan your 6D body alone. There are also several similar cameras using APS-C sensors (you want a 24mm lens for the same field of view).

Once you've decided to only take your compact on some outings/trips, you have more freedom to make your "big" kit heavier. I'd do that by adding the 16–35mm f/4 IS, which you can choose to take or not take with you on any particular outing, but I wouldn't sell the 85mm to do it.



Jan 21, 2017 at 06:13 AM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Sell all lenses for 24-70mm 2.8 ii ?


We went to Europe last summer and I had a focal length gap from 40-70mm.

I considered the 24-70 f2.8 II. When doing research, mention of the f4.0 IS kept popping up. While one stop slower, IS was claimed to let you set shutter speed three stops lower than you'd be able to hand hold otherwise. The 2.8 is supposedly sharper, but not by much. Of course the f4.0 IS wins on size, weight and price.

I was almost, but not quite convinced. I'd never used a second generation IS so I was skeptical. I decided to rent the f4.0 IS from LensRentals. I received a flawless copy from them and ended up shooting most of my photos with it. It was available for purchase and the cost of rental applied to the purchase price. I bought the lens instead of returning it.

The IS worked much better than I expected, to the point I now regret not spending the extra when I bought my 70-200 f2.8. I have some photos shot at 24mm @1/2 second that are sharp when viewed 100%. 1/30 70mm is no problem and if you're careful, you can get good results @1/15.

I was going to suggest the 24mm Sigma Art as a possible alternative, but I see you didn't like the 35mm because of size and weight. I guess I look at size and weight differently after schlepping around 16mm Frezzolinis and Eclair NPRs when I worked in TV and 4x5 Sinars and Mamiya RB67s when I did commercial photography full time. My Europe kit consisted of a 5D, 17-40, 24-70, 85, 135 f2.0 and a 70-200 f2.8 plus flash, batteries, etc. My iPhone said we averaged walking 8 miles a day with some 10-12 mile days thrown in. Not bad for a 66 year old!



Jan 21, 2017 at 08:14 AM
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I have the 24-70 4L IS and it's wonderfully sharp, focuses close and has very little barreling at the wide end. However, I found it too short for travel and normally take my 24-105 4L if I want a one lens travel kit. It suffers more barreling and flare but is just as sharp center frame (I have a good one) and that extra 35mm of reach makes a big difference for me. Oddly, the 24-70 4L IS and 24-105 4L are almost the size size and weight.


Jan 21, 2017 at 03:29 PM
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I too have the 24–70mm f/4 IS. I use it for landscapes, and I catch flights with it for that purpose, but for "travel" as such I prefer something a little faster. Particularly at longer focal lengths it's useful to be able to blur out an undesirable or irrelevant background when travelling. If it's your home town you might be able to come back later when the background is better, but when travelling you usually don't have that option. I like my 100mm f/2 Zeiss Makro Planar for that (your 85mm f/1.8 does about the same). If I'm carrying the 100, I don't need a zoom that goes to 70mm, which is why a "normal" zoom does not form part of my personal "travel to citiies" kit. I will usually tale a wide angle lens of some type instead.


Jan 22, 2017 at 01:35 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Sell all lenses for 24-70mm 2.8 ii ?


Apples and oranges so think hard about how you use your primes.

A 35/2 @f2 will give you a somewhat special "documentary style" look. You can get that at 2.8 as well, but not really the same. In photography, it's all about that extra stop you know :-)

As for the 85/1.8 - again. Specialty lens and there's no way 70mm/2.8 can get you the same "dreamy creamy" headshot as the 85 fully open.

Having all this said - I remember when I first tried the 24-70 Mark II and felt the need to ditch everything straight away and just go for the zoom. It's THAT good. But I realized I still want (and need) my primes.



Jan 22, 2017 at 03:53 AM
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I second the 24-105/4IS v1 preference. I had a questionable topic up some time ago when I wondered why I hated and liked my 24-105. I finally sold it but while I was shooting with a friend and he offered me his copy to try, I was amazed. Long story short my copy of ten years had been a lemon but I never realised that until I tried the other one. I took it off his hands for a bargain price and I am very happy now for travel. I also bring my 16-35/4IS so the 24-35 range is covered. If I travel by car I usually also bring my 35L v1. I leave my 5DsR battery grip at home, although I always have a couple of days where I miss that thing

For other things I don't use my 24-105 much. Maybe just for some snaps of the kids around the house. For events it's not usable. I cannot live with 24mm wide open IQ. I now use 35L, 16-35/4IS and 70-200/2.8ii for events. 50L is also in my bag in case there is an opportunity for using it. As I don't have many shots wider than 24, a good and fast 24-70 could replace three heavy lenses.

This is a very interesting topic and will keep an eye on it



Jan 22, 2017 at 05:00 AM
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rabbitmountain wrote:
I second the 24-105/4IS v1 preference.


I have both the 24-70/4LIS and 24-105/4L IS. I owned the 24-105/4L IS II and returned it, as it didn't offer any significant or consistent IQ advantage over the Mk I (it's a bit better at some focal lengths and a bit worse at others). When I travel with a relatively full kit, I take the 16-35/4L IS, 24-70/4L IS, and 100-400L IS II. I'm generally not worried about the gap between 70-100mm. If I expect to be shooting people a lot, I'll take a 70-200mm zoom instead of, or in addition to, the 100-400mm lens. The 24-70 vs. 24-105 debate doesn't affect me when I'm taking a light-weight travel kit, as I currently use a X-E2 and SL1, and might switch to a M3/M5 setup in the future.



Jan 22, 2017 at 05:39 AM
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With the 24-70 f/2.8 II, 70-200 f/2.8 IS II, 100-400 L IS II, supplemented by the 11-24 and 16-35 f/4 II, Canon now offers almost prime-like image quality in its zooms (note: I said "almost.") You have to have special requirements to go to a prime today.

In my case, those special needs are Tilt & Shift and the characteristics offered by certain Zeiss lenses. For example, the Zeiss 50 MP is extremely versatile (fast, Macro, landscape) and comes in very handy for panoramas.

You will have to assess your specific needs to put together your toolkit.



Jan 22, 2017 at 08:35 AM
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jcolwell wrote:
I have both the 24-70/4LIS and 24-105/4L IS. I owned the 24-105/4L IS II and returned it, as it didn't offer any significant or consistent IQ advantage over the Mk I (it's a bit better at some focal lengths and a bit worse at others). When I travel with a relatively full kit, I take the 16-35/4L IS, 24-70/4L IS, and 100-400L IS II. I'm generally not worried about the gap between 70-100mm. If I expect to be shooting people a lot, I'll take a 70-200mm zoom instead of, or in addition to, the 100-400mm lens. The 24-70 vs. 24-105
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I agree with most of that. Just one thing I like about the 24-105 is for a wide range of shots I don't need to dig and grab the heavy 100-400ii if I can get away with the 24-105 in the 70-135mm range. The 100-400ii is bulky and heavy and although it's a wonderful and sharp lens, while travelling I find it a nuisance to dig up, change lenses and reverse that effort just for this one Inbetween 100mm shot. I guess I'm lazy while travelling. Also, my family usually won't wait for me to do all that. Only for some really special subject do I dare make them halt and challenge their patience.



Jan 22, 2017 at 09:36 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Sell all lenses for 24-70mm 2.8 ii ?


Thanks guys. I think I made my decision. I will get the Sigma 35mm 1.4 and the 24-70 F4 IS.

This is probably the best combination of low light/lightweight/versatility. I was looking through my old images and I previously had the Sigma and the pictures blew me away. I am willing to give them another chance, I sold my copy because its AF was very inconsistent. The 24-70 F4 by all accounts is as sharp as the 2.8 ii, is lighter, has IS, and can do Macro. All better for travel and chasing my kid around.

My next question is, do I sell the 85 1.8 or keep it. I usually shoot it at 4-5.6 because thats when it is at its sharpest, I need to see more pictures of portraits of the 24-70 @ 70mm and f4.



Jan 23, 2017 at 10:13 AM
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If you only shoot your 85 at 4-5.6 then I see no reason to keep it when you will soon have a great 70mm/4. The 85/1.8 is sharp from f/2 and very usable for dimly lit sports venues and creative portraits. That would be a reason to keep it.


Jan 23, 2017 at 10:37 AM
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For many years I preferred to have an f4 zoom base kit with primes in a couple key focal lengths for when I needed speed. f2.8 doesn't smash the background too much better than f4 at 70mm nor does it often offer the exact amount of extra light I need over f4 to go from a throw away to keeper. If I'm that close to being "too slow" with f4, a prime or a flash is going to do the job much better than f2.8.

BUT...I love the 24-70 II and it's made me abandon my general preference for f4 standard zooms. Not so much for the f2.8 (it still doesn't replace faster glass), but because there's simply no other zoom in the range that can touch it for IQ. And, in situations where I prefer one lens like camping, hiking, hunting, snowmobiling, travel, family stuff and landscapes, it's the first lens I grab every time.




Jan 23, 2017 at 01:55 PM
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Had original 24-70L, it was nice but never wowed me, got the job done though. Owned 35L, loved it for general purpose photography and traveled throughout europe with it, and occasionally the 85L. Sold the 35L and bought the 24-70 II since the tests showed it was fantastic - it was an amazing lens, but again, lacked a certain emotion in the images. So I sold that and bought the new 35L II which is incredible and is attached to my camera 70% of the time.

If you like zooms - the 24-70 II will hang with the best of them. If you like low light and narrow depth of field flexibility, the 35L II is remarkably good. For what its worth, the only zoom in my kit anymore is the 70-200, which is too much of a workhorse to possibly abandon.

Regardless, if you need a normal range zoom, the 24-70 is one of the best ever made.



Jan 23, 2017 at 06:00 PM
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So I did some more thinking. I ended up ordering a Sigma 50mm 1.4 art and will get the 24-70 F4 IS. The two of these are roughly the same price as the 24-70 2.8 ii. I am selling the 35/85.

Between the two lenses and my 40mm 2.8, I should have everything covered except UWA and telephoto.

Sigma 50mm 1.4 - Low light, portraits, bokeh, sharpness
24-70 F4 IS - Versatility for travel, lowish weight, IS, macro
40mm - lightweight, makes my 6D feel like a point and shoot.



Jan 24, 2017 at 01:34 PM
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I'd do it (replace 'em all). I have the 24-70 and 35, 50 and 100mm lenses, but sometimes wonder why I duplicate these.


Jan 24, 2017 at 02:29 PM
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In your shoes I think the 35 ART is a waste of $ and space. Since you will be taking the 24-70 with you everywhere, now you will be taking the huge ART with you too, just in case. I would get a 50 STM (or possibly a 35/2 IS) if you absolutely must have something for low light shooting. The STM in particular is so light you won't know you are carrying it.


Jan 24, 2017 at 02:33 PM
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Just buy a 24-105 v1 IS, instead of 24-70/2.8v2. Keep the primes.

The IS is important for walk about. Typically I am shooting at f8 - not f2.8. IS means that you can shoot better handheld with 24-105 than 24-70.

The 24-105 is way less costy and pretty good at f8 where you will use it.

The 24-105 is lighter.

Unless you are on a tripod you won't notice the difference in iq but you will notice the price, lack of IS, weight, 70-105.



Jan 24, 2017 at 02:41 PM
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asr10user wrote:
So I did some more thinking. I ended up ordering a Sigma 50mm 1.4 art and will get the 24-70 F4 IS. The two of these are roughly the same price as the 24-70 2.8 ii. I am selling the 35/85.

Between the two lenses and my 40mm 2.8, I should have everything covered except UWA and telephoto.

Sigma 50mm 1.4 - Low light, portraits, bokeh, sharpness
24-70 F4 IS - Versatility for travel, lowish weight, IS, macro
40mm - lightweight, makes my 6D feel like a point and shoot.


Please let us know what you think of the 24-70 f4is when you test it.



Jan 25, 2017 at 02:46 PM
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