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Jan 12, 2017 at 11:34 AM
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Keep the 80D and buy a refurb 6D for $1000 or so. Thus, you'll have the best of both worlds: better high ISO IQ than the 5D3 but all the advantages of the 80D (video & reach). The 6D/80D is my fav combo. If you have plenty of money, the 5D4 will sort beat that combo as an all-in-one.


Jan 12, 2017 at 11:57 AM
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What he said. ^


Jan 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM
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Jan 12, 2017 at 12:11 PM
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Get a 6D and a fast cheap prime like the 50 1.8 or if you have the funds, maybe find a deal on the 85mm 1.8 and you will have the perfect low budget setup for those events.

18-35 sigma is great, but you will be restricted on what camera bodies it will work on in the future.

I have shot with a 6D for years and have no plans to upgrade. I don't need video or zillions of AF points and I don't shoot professionally. I would focus on getting good glass instead of the 5D4.



Jan 12, 2017 at 12:36 PM
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5D3 advantages:

Better high ISO for sure.
Better rendition of fine detail (like trees in a landscape shot) even with the decreased resolution/pixel density.
Better AF but not that much better.
24-70 and 70-200 will both be wider so that is an advantage at 24 but maybe a disadvantage at 200.

80D advantages:
Better DR at ISO 100-400
f/8 AF with 27 points vs 1 point (however that advantage is only when using 100-400II/1.4TCIII or the 200-400 with 2xTCIII).
More pixels per subject that will only be useful in good light and at 1600ISO or less (IMO, YMMV)

Disclaimer, I've owned both those cameras.



Jan 12, 2017 at 12:39 PM
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jcolwell wrote:
What he said. ^


Ditto ^

One high density pixels (more than 5Ds/R) one low density pixels. Two good tools, with different core strengths.




Jan 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM
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RustyBug wrote:
Ditto ^

One high density pixels (more than 5Ds/R) one low density pixels. Two good tools, with different core strengths.



Except the OP already responded saying that isn't a financially viable option for him at this time.

I guess selling 80D and getting 6D vs 5D3 would be a good option to save some $$ but sounds like having both even with the 6D instead of 5D3 isn't in the cards.



Jan 12, 2017 at 01:21 PM
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I own both, I use the 5D3 professionally and the 80D for fun.

The best answer really is to buy a used 6D as said above (6D high ISO is better than on the 5D3), but if that really isn't an option I'd stay with what you have and buy faster lenses. If you are considering pro work you do need a backup body though.

The 5D3 is the best all-round camera I've owned and the 80D is the crop equivalent of that, but with several years newer R&D, unless you are cropping hugely or printing very big the 80D can do the job.



Jan 12, 2017 at 02:40 PM
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Would your budget allow for an EFS 17-55 IS lens for your 80D.
That or go ahead and get the 5DIII to take better advantage of your lenses.



Jan 12, 2017 at 02:52 PM
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Jan 12, 2017 at 03:06 PM
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Jan 12, 2017 at 03:20 PM
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Yes that wouldn't surprise me.

The 5D3 is a genuinely great camera but high ISO isn't it's strongest point, not when the 6D is around. I regularly shoot portraits at 1250 ISO (something I could never hope to do with film) because I want lots of ambient light and the 6D is already better even at 1250.

Don't forget the 80D is much newer and high ISO noise is currently inversely proportional to the age of the sensor. I have been getting some pretty phenomenal results from my 80D with RAW and DPP4 (using DLO, which you wouldn't have with a Sigma lens).

I'm not sure the results you would get from a 5D3 would blow you away as much as you think



Jan 12, 2017 at 03:37 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
Except the OP already responded saying that isn't a financially viable option for him at this time.

I guess selling 80D and getting 6D vs 5D3 would be a good option to save some $$ but sounds like having both even with the 6D instead of 5D3 isn't in the cards.


Except the OP then mentioned buying a wider APS C lens for the 80D, which lists for $800. Money that could go for the 6D, instead.

Also, 24mm on 6D is wider FOV than 18mm on 80D.

And a 6D adds versatility to all his lenses. Where a single lens on his "infrequent" FOV, not quite as much.



Jan 12, 2017 at 04:40 PM
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My advice is shoot what you have/raise the iso - I have shot up to 10,000 with apsc with good results. You just bought the 80d. It is a good camera. And Iq is not as important as composition in low light sports/gym. The only reason to switch is 24 is too long but you can solve this by sitting further back. Selling an almost new camera to buy another new camera is a recipe for expensive churn.

If you really want to do something, sell the 24-70 and buy a used 17-55/2.8 IS aps-c. Its likely to do a better job than the 24-70 anyway because of the IS.



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Jan 12, 2017 at 05:09 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · .


Ionex56 wrote:
Surprisingly the 80D performs better than the 5D3 in terms of ISO vs. noise, even at ISO 6400?

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/RN_e.htm#Canon%20EOS%205D%20Mark%20III_14,Canon%20EOS%206D_14,Canon%20EOS%2080D_14

If I'm interpreting the chart or the concept wrong, please correct me


Right under the chart it says these values are not appropriate for comparing cameras. Trust me the 5D3 and 6D will blow the 80D out the window for high ISO performance.



Jan 12, 2017 at 05:32 PM
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I agree with the "get the 6D" crowd if you mostly shoot landscapes & portraits.
Slightly better DR & high-ISO vs. the 5D3, cheaper, same memory cards with 80D, worse AF tho...thus the application is important: for portraits and landscapes the 6D works fine. More demanding AF tracking applications, it falls short often (not always).

If you have $$ burning your wallet still, use the "change" to upgrade your f/4 70-200 to a 2.8 version, or add a 16-35 4 IS



Jan 12, 2017 at 05:36 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
Right under the chart it says these values are not appropriate for comparing cameras. Trust me the 5D3 and 6D will blow the 80D out the window for high ISO performance.


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Just take these LAB tests with grain of salt and pop.

6D is a capable camera but it was never intended to be a pro tool. No weather sealing, Single card slot( Big issue ), 1/4000 maxSS, AF system not as capable as you find in 5Dm3 or 7D. No headphone jack, Unable to focus at f8 with tele and coverters....and the list goes on. If these shortcomings does not concern you, then go ahead...

IB








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