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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?


Wondered what's good, looking at the KEH site last night and the older AF were fairly inexpensive as far as super-teles go. (300+ mm) Are they compatible with newer crop or other inexpensive bodies?

Also the MF ones looked good, I'd probably adapt to m4/3. Is the 300/4.5 H any good?




Dec 27, 2016 at 10:42 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?


I had a 500mm P lens for awhile. Manual focus but the quality was quite good.


Kent in SD



Dec 27, 2016 at 12:19 PM
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Two23 wrote:
I had a 500mm P lens for awhile. Manual focus but the quality was quite good.

Kent in SD


I had a 180 Nikkor P, would this be the same vintage?

How was it wide open or close?



Dec 27, 2016 at 01:16 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?


I think all the "P" lenses were similar. Never used the 500mm on a close subject, but generally did shoot it wide open or stopped down to f8 if enough light (this on F100). It's a nice lens, but I don't see anyway to use it off of a tripod.


Kent in SD



Dec 27, 2016 at 03:36 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?


I've had the 600mm 5.6 ais and the 400mm 3.5 ais. Both of these lenses are manual focus. Both are very sharp wide open and the IQ of the 400mm is rather amazing with converters.



Dec 27, 2016 at 06:17 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?


The 600mm f5.6 does very well with a tc16a (af'ing tc). The 800mm f5.6 also does well with the tc16a but I was having a back focus issue I never got around to fixing.


Dec 27, 2016 at 06:41 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?


It average a 300 f/4 that is sharp on DX/FX and relatively cheap. Haven't mounted it to my M43 yet, but it should do fine. 600mm FOV sounds like fun and really a inexpensive way to do it.


Dec 28, 2016 at 08:58 AM
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Two23 wrote:
I think all the "P" lenses were similar. Never used the 500mm on a close subject, but generally did shoot it wide open or stopped down to f8 if enough light (this on F100). It's a nice lens, but I don't see anyway to use it off of a tripod.

Kent in SD


No, the "P" in the 180 P and 500 P have nothing to do with each other.

The 500 P is the 500mm f/4 AI-P - Manual focus, but with a CPU chip.

The 180 P is the 180/2.8 P non-AI and is a very very early (in fact the first) 180mm Nikkor as far as I can tell.

I have the 500/4 AI-P and it is a very good lens. Not quite up to the standards of the modern 500mm Nikkors, but no slouch either.



Dec 28, 2016 at 10:30 AM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Wondered what's good, looking at the KEH site last night and the older AF were fairly inexpensive as far as super-teles go. (300+ mm) Are they compatible with newer crop or other inexpensive bodies?

Also the MF ones looked good, I'd probably adapt to m4/3. Is the 300/4.5 H any good?



The 300/4.5 H will disappoint, especially on a high pixel pitch m43 sensor. The only really good 300/4.5 is the ED AI (non-IF) version. The 300/4 AF-D and AFS versions I've not tried out so I can't comment on those.



Dec 28, 2016 at 10:37 AM
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Cadaver wrote:
I've had the 600mm 5.6 ais and the 400mm 3.5 ais. Both of these lenses are manual focus. Both are very sharp wide open and the IQ of the 400mm is rather amazing with converters.


I think it's usually a good sign if a lens is good with tc's.

I'd been looking at the 600, but 5.6 is a bit slow. Glad to know it good wide open.



Dec 28, 2016 at 11:21 PM
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jhinkey wrote:
The 300/4.5 H will disappoint, especially on a high pixel pitch m43 sensor. The only really good 300/4.5 is the ED AI (non-IF) version. The 300/4 AF-D and AFS versions I've not tried out so I can't comment on those.


Yes, I had looked up the 500/4P, it's much newer than my pre-AI 180.

I read some reviews on the 300 H, but I got one anyway. Hopefully it will be good. My 300/2.8 Tamron is heavy. Although I am glad to hear the 500/4 is good, the reach is appealing

What do you mean by high pixel pitch? I've found bigger sensors do better if a lens is borderline. More mm for the lp.

Edited on Dec 28, 2016 at 11:44 PM · View previous versions



Dec 28, 2016 at 11:23 PM
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BSPhotog wrote:
It average a 300 f/4 that is sharp on DX/FX and relatively cheap. Haven't mounted it to my M43 yet, but it should do fine. 600mm FOV sounds like fun and really a inexpensive way to do it.


Reading online, it sounded like some of the 300/4 were better than the 4.5. Adapters are that expensive on ebay, if you don't mind those.



Dec 28, 2016 at 11:25 PM
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morrismike wrote:
The 600mm f5.6 does very well with a tc16a (af'ing tc). The 800mm f5.6 also does well with the tc16a but I was having a back focus issue I never got around to fixing.


Wow, really? That a lot of reach. Will they af with that tc?



Dec 28, 2016 at 11:27 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?


As mentioned by jhinkey, AI-P refers to the chip onboard the lens that alllows modern Nikon bodies to access lens ID and settings. The other AI-P is the 45/2.8. The standalone letter is old Nikkor nomenclature that gives the element count of the design: "P" for 5 (pente), "H" for 6 (hexe), T for 3 (Tria), etc. Resources I use to find interesting, older glass include Photography in Malaysia, and also Bjørn Rørslett web site.

Ref:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/photography.htm
http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_tele.html



Dec 29, 2016 at 12:59 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?




AmbientMike wrote:
pixel pitch is the horizontal spacing or distance between two adjacent pixels. there are pros and cons associated with the pitch. :-)



Dec 29, 2016 at 02:17 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?


AmbientMike wrote:
I had a 180 Nikkor P, would this be the same vintage?

How was it wide open or close?


The 180mm f2,8 Nikkor-P was a single coated pre-Ai lens
The 500mm f4 P was a CPU equipped Ai-S lens.

Going by production start the 180mm Nikkor-P predates the 500mm f4 P by almost 2 decades



Dec 29, 2016 at 05:12 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Good Older Nikon Super-Teles?


Pleasantly surprised that the 300/4.5 H looks like it is good. It's not as a sharp as my Tamron 2.8, but Ken Rockwell claims, other than coatings, it is the same design as later models. Not inclined to argue, at this point.

This guy had good luck with his, too:

http://photosketchpad.blogspot.com/2015/01/sony-a6000nikon-300mm-f45-h-pre-ai-to.html

Here's one I edited quickly, then sharpened and resized for the web:

http://imageshack.com/a/img921/6864/JK65M2.jpg



Jan 08, 2017 at 10:03 PM





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