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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


Hello everyone,

I've been reading the posts in this forum for quite awhile now and have learned a lot about Canon camera gear. It has been very informative. So now I've decided to post a question. I really enjoy doing wildlife and sports photography and was considering the purchase of either the Tamron 150-600 G2 (second generation) or the Canon 100-400 II. Does anyone have any experience using both of these lenses on a crop body? (I use a Canon 70D). If so, how does the autofocus, image stabilization, and image quality compare with one vs the other.



Dec 13, 2016 at 02:54 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


These are really two different classes of lenses; you could easily make the case for affording *both*.

Recommend renting each to decide where your wants/needs really fall.



Dec 13, 2016 at 03:34 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


Spend the money on the 100-400II, and then get yourself a 1.4x III. The Canon by itself is tack sharp; adding the 1.4xIII will give you a very sharp 140-560mm f8...


Dec 13, 2016 at 01:27 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


That's what I did. I had the Sigma 150-600 C and ended up going to the 100-400L II and 1.4x III. Seems to work alright, although the loss of light is noticed. But everything else is better. So I guess the tradeoff is worth it.


Dec 13, 2016 at 02:47 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


Remember the 70D won't AF with the 100-400 plus 1.4x where as the 150-600s will get you to 600 and retain AF. I only have the 100-400 II, and like it, so I can't comment beyond that.


Dec 13, 2016 at 03:36 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


Jeff Nolten wrote:
Remember the 70D won't AF with the 100-400 plus 1.4x where as the 150-600s will get you to 600 and retain AF. I only have the 100-400 II, and like it, so I can't comment beyond that.


That is an excellent point. I'm so used to having f/8 capable bodies that I sometimes forget about the ones that can't AF at f/8. If you plan to stick with the 70D then I'd go for the new Tamron or the well regarded Sigma C. The Tamron just doesn't have enough reviews out yet. The first gen was regarded in 3rd place behind the two Sigma models. However, it seems from the few reviews I've seen that the G2 is improved and should be up to matching the Sigma C.

If you are looking at upgrading the body to 80D or 7D2 then I'd go with the Canon/TC. I had the Sigma C and Canon/TC and preferred the Canon combo. Yes the Sigma was f/6.3 but I found it needed f/8 to get its sharpest image at 600mm. So the only advantage was that it could use all the AF points and AF modes on the 7D2 and 5DSR and 1DX. I found the IS/OS worked equally well but I didn't like that the Sigma wouldn't create a rock solid VF image like the Canon does. That is actually the reason I sold it more than anything else.



Dec 13, 2016 at 04:09 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


arbitrage wrote:
The Tamron just doesn't have enough reviews out yet.


While I don't disagree on the whole, the first qualified review from Bryan at TDP shows that the main weakness of the first Tamron against the field, sharpness at 600mm, hasn't really been improved upon, and that's really what Tamron needed to move units versus the Sigma pair.



Dec 13, 2016 at 04:28 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


johnctharp wrote:
While I don't disagree on the whole, the first qualified review from Bryan at TDP shows that the main weakness of the first Tamron against the field, sharpness at 600mm, hasn't really been improved upon, and that's really what Tamron needed to move units versus the Sigma pair.


Thanks, don't think I had seen that review yet. I guess Sigma C is the best bet still for the less expensive and lighter option or the Sigma S if you want that extra weight and weather sealing and maybe slightly better corner sharpness.



Dec 13, 2016 at 05:12 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


I had the original Tammy 150-600 and later bought a 100-400 (II) and used it with a TC1.4 (II) and now with a TCi.4 (III).

The Tammy AF was always relatively slow at tracking—no comparison to the 100-400 (II), even with a TC installed.

My 100-400's sharper across the lens than the Tammy was, especially near the edges.

The Tammy's aperture starts to decrease about 1/3 of the way up its FL; sooner than the 100-400 does. From what I've read, the Sigma starts to reduce even sooner.

I really didn't care for the Tammy's lens collar, which you've got to be careful to tighten a bit or the lens can fall out (not the nice fit of Canon's old or new 100-400 collars). This was sometimes a problem for me when I'd hastily loosen the collar to rotate the camera/lens.

From the reviews I've read, the Tammy G2 is a bit better optically (still no EF, though), and seems to improve on the original mostly in build quality. I don't recall seeing anything about a better fitting collar.

So: when it came to shooting perched birds, the Tammy worked almost as well as the EF and cost a heckuva lot less. But I never could capture small and medium size birds well with it, whereas the EF has no problems.

But, as others pointed out, your 70D can't AF at f/8, so you'll always be limited to the bare lens for AF. I don't know how much of a real limitation that is, since my keeper rate with the Tammy at long FLs was pretty low. If you wanted to use the 100-400 with a TC, you'd need manual focus and I'd strongly advise using a CamRanger or similar device to both focus and trigger the camera. If you upgraded your body to one that focuses at f/8, you may still encounter tracking problems because of the lower resulting contrast reaching the AF sensor and the time lag resulting from the AF computer's calculations.

Obviously, though, you're looking at a bit more for the EF + TC combo (watch for refurbs at CanonPriceWatch).

If you really want a proven 150-600, everything I've read and people I know with them leads me to suggest a Sigma S (or possibly a C) over either Tamron model.



Dec 13, 2016 at 05:26 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


My Sigma C is sharp wide open, I only stop down for DoF. Sure it improves marginally but not enough to lose more light.

Question is does the 100-400 II + 1.4x TC AF faster than 150-600C. IMO no. Sigma has updated AF speed a few times and current fw makes the lens quite snappy.

I may find the 100-400II + 1.4x does better with AF when I use it on the 5D4, although it is still very good on the 1DX, but then again so is the Sigma and I feel a bit quicker.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


In my experience the 100-400 II is lighter, sharper, has better colors and contrast and even cropped looks better. That is only my opinion though. If I could afford one, I would buy one in a heartbeat.


Dec 14, 2016 at 10:10 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
My Sigma C is sharp wide open, I only stop down for DoF. Sure it improves marginally but not enough to lose more light.

Question is does the 100-400 II + 1.4x TC AF faster than 150-600C. IMO no. Sigma has updated AF speed a few times and current fw makes the lens quite snappy.

I may find the 100-400II + 1.4x does better with AF when I use it on the 5D4, although it is still very good on the 1DX, but then again so is the Sigma and I feel a bit quicker.


Umm, I own both also, and if its BIF I always reach for the 100-400II + 1.4 . For me the Canon is faster focusing, and I believe I have the latest update.for the Sig. If it a stationary subject, I dont hesitate to use the Sigma C plenty sharp for my taste

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The OP may want to explore if the G2 FW can be updated without shipping back to Tamron, I am not sure. . With Sigma you have a dock which you can update FW yourself.



Dec 15, 2016 at 04:56 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


Thank you everyone for your feedback on the Canon 100-400 II and the Tamron 150-600 G2 lenses. I guess I'll go with the Canon since it seems to focus faster.


Dec 15, 2016 at 07:17 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


I am mainly seeing comments on the first gen tamron which is a way different animal that the upgraded g2


Feb 16, 2017 at 06:25 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


IndyFab wrote:
The OP may want to explore if the G2 FW can be updated without shipping back to Tamron, I am not sure. . With Sigma you have a dock which you can update FW yourself.


It's possible, and adding compatibility with Tamron's own console was the (main) point of the upgrade to G2 (as it has been in the case of the 90 macro).



Feb 16, 2017 at 08:57 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


G2 review:

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Edited on Sep 11, 2017 at 02:00 AM · View previous versions



Feb 21, 2017 at 05:18 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


The quandary for me

I use a 100-400L V2 / 1.4lll & the results are quite good with the TC;-- however--
the bare lens will generally offer superior IQ within a "reasonable" range".

The problem is, do you "normally" leave the TC off, to get the best performance from the lens, or attached making "reach" the default priority?

With fast moving action, wildlife or sports, swapping a TC on & off will result in many missed shots.

560mm VS 600mm is not significant in itself; whereas getting to 600mm without TC "fumbling" is.

Non the less, for me, because the 100-400L-2+1.4lll does work quite well in many situations; a 600mm Zoom would have to perform "well" with a 1.4 TC giving me a quality 840mm to really be of significant value; & from what I've read, on line, neither the Tamron, or Sigma offerings perform well with a TC.

Oh where, oh where is the long rumored Canon 200-600 5.6



Feb 21, 2017 at 06:20 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


I am still very much a beginner at understanding all that has been stated, particularly the part about the 70D not being able to AF at f8. I am debating between these two lenses. I currently have a Tamron 200-500, F 5.6-6.3 on a Canon 60D body. I shoot 90% of the time zoomed out to 500. Mostly bird photography. I would be using the 1.4 TC with the canon- to get longer reach, however I also do not want to have to take the TC on and off. Would the 60D be able to AF at f.8 with the canon? Given the body I am using, suggestions? I do a lot of hand hold shooting, and I am fairly small, so weight is a concern- esp as more weight on the lens can affect how steady the shot is. I would like to eventually upgrade the body, however I can only do the lens at this time. If shooting with the teleconverter- how would that compare with image quality and focus speed if both zoomed to max. Current lens is slow to lock in and focus. Hoping that it would improve with new lens, as well as wanting to get a little further reach.


Sep 11, 2017 at 01:51 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


What I don't know: Whether the 60D can AF at f8.
What I do know: I saw a couple web sites that state that it cannot.



Sep 11, 2017 at 02:04 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Tamron 150-600 G2 and Canon 100-400 II


Jeff Nolten wrote:
Remember the 70D won't AF with the 100-400 plus 1.4x where as the 150-600s will get you to 600 and retain AF. I only have the 100-400 II, and like it, so I can't comment beyond that.

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The OP is talking about the 100-400 II.




Sep 11, 2017 at 03:47 AM
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