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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


I would add that I find the IBIS in the A7rii allows me to handhold down to 1/6 second (take 2-3 shots to be sure of getting one sharp) whilst 1/10 and up isn't any issue at all. Therefore the f4 in the 16-35 isn't really a consideration since the A7rii also handles high ISOs superbly too !

And you will love that flexibility (coming from someone who shot a 15mm Voigt and 21mm Loxia on my last cathedral shoot in Italy and a Tamron 15-30 before that in Valencia).



Oct 26, 2016 at 01:10 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


ecarlino wrote:
I'd agree with Seb on the merits of stitching. My personal preference is not to go wider than 18mm as I just am not a fan of the angular distortion beyond 16mm that tends to overwhelm the image (in the hands of someone competent, which i am not, it sometimes looks great, but there are far too many shots posted recently, IMHO, with the availability of new UWA lenses that I do not enjoy - they tend to be in the vein of 'artsy' similar to a misuse of ultra-thin-DoF that some prefer, it's just not my thing most of
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My grandfather was from Modica, Sicily. That's for posting the panorama!
So much detail in a glimpse of their lives.



Oct 26, 2016 at 02:08 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


Get the Batis 18. I have the 16-35, the Batis 18, and the Batis 25. I really like the Batis as my single light fast prime. I often want a little wider when I carry the Batis 25. The 16-35 is awesome. If it was lighter and faster it would be a no brainer.



Oct 26, 2016 at 09:29 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


16-35 is a wonderful lens.

Like others have said, if you want a WA prime, I'd rather get the 18 than the 25 just for preference.



Oct 26, 2016 at 09:33 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


If it were me, I'd get the Batis 25. I've found that stitching often works well enough for me that I rarely actually use my 17mm UW. I've been doing a 3-5 image stitch with a 24mm or 28mm.

At 28mm and above I want actual coverage because what I'm photographing is more dynamic. 25mm makes a good lower bound of my range. 21mm could work well, too.



Oct 26, 2016 at 09:56 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


The lesson here: It's personal preference. There is no right way to shoot X, Y, or Z. Inside a cavernous church you could use a prime, a zoom, or a macro.

For me, the Batis 18 is nearly the perfect one-lens UWA: a focal length sweet spot (wider and it becomes too specialist, for me), wide aperture, fast AF (documentary work), incredible IQ, light. If I could modify it I'd make it narrower even at the cost of vignetting with filters.




Oct 27, 2016 at 12:04 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


Thanks for the reply everyone. It seems that everyone has their own preference and I need to find my own preference. It is down between the 16-35 and the 25 to me as the 18 is not available here in my local store. I guess I should just get the 25, and if it's not wide enough, I'll stitch?


Oct 27, 2016 at 02:49 AM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


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Yes. But I am lusting over the f/2 by the batis. Is the 25 wide enough for trips to Sistine Chapel and Pantheon?


It probably isn't wide enough for those types of shots. However, you're not the only one with Batis lust. I thought of trading in my Sony FE 28mm f2.0 for the Batis 25mm.




Oct 27, 2016 at 03:27 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


psmichael wrote:
Thanks for the reply everyone. It seems that everyone has their own preference and I need to find my own preference. It is down between the 16-35 and the 25 to me as the 18 is not available here in my local store. I guess I should just get the 25, and if it's not wide enough, I'll stitch?


Stitching is fine for static subjects off a tripod but for street scenes you are out of luck. If you truly feel you'll be needing wider than 25mm, I'd get a wider lens than relying on stitching. Personally I have the 16-35 and find the image quality at the wide end superb. I travel quite a bit and shoot a lot of street scenes, both people and architecture and in many of the older cities with narrow streets, a 25mm would never work for me...but that's just my style.

If you are not sure on the focal length required, the zoom gives you the flexibility with focal lengths. It's only drawback is it is bigger and heavier than primes...but not overly so to make it a pain to carry around.



Oct 27, 2016 at 07:02 AM
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chez wrote:
Stitching is fine for static subjects off a tripod but for street scenes you are out of luck.


a tripod is not necessary for stitching.
the shot I posted above (27,000 pixels wide) was handheld as are most of my stitched shots.

also, as far as static, the software is getting pretty good these days as far as 'ghosting' so as long as you're fairly swift between shots, there is a bit more freedom in terms of what 'static' means.



Oct 27, 2016 at 07:54 AM
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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


ecarlino wrote:
a tripod is not necessary for stitching.
the shot I posted above (27,000 pixels wide) was handheld as are most of my stitched shots.

also, as far as static, the software is getting pretty good these days as far as 'ghosting' so as long as you're fairly swift between shots, there is a bit more freedom in terms of what 'static' means.


Sure, you might be able to stretch it a little...but then when things are moving, you are rolling the dice with a stitched shot. I'd rather not roll the dice and be certain of my shots...especially when you are in a place you might never be again.

I'm all for getting and using the right gear for the situation. If you need a wide angle lens, then just use a wide angle lens.

Here are examples where stitching just would not work.



















Oct 27, 2016 at 08:34 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


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My grandfather was from Modica, Sicily. That's for posting the panorama!
So much detail in a glimpse of their lives.


Resolution is as much a motivation for me as angle of view when stitching - it's a lot of fun to watch people walk up to a large print and recognize tiny details of such a large scene.

here's a crappy iPhone snap of it hanging in our guest suite (aka video game room for the kids most of the time). I was experimenting with a new hanging technique (I could have done a better job).
http://www.ecarlino.net/misc/ModicaPoster.jpg



Oct 27, 2016 at 08:39 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


chez wrote:
Sure, you might be able to stretch it a little...but then when things are moving, you are rolling the dice with a stitched shot. I'd rather not roll the dice and be certain of my shots...especially when you are in a place you might never be again.

I'm all for getting and using the right gear for the situation. If you need a wide angle lens, then just use a wide angle lens.

Here are examples where stitching just would not work.



given the motion blur in your 3rd shot, i'd be willing to take my chances that stitching could accomplish something comparable if need be - but those aren't the sort of scenes people would be interested in doing a pano of anyhow.



Oct 27, 2016 at 08:43 AM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


ecarlino wrote:
given the motion blur in your 3rd shot, i'd be willing to take my chances that stitching could accomplish something comparable if need be - but those aren't the sort of scenes people would be interested in doing a pano of anyhow.


Right...but most people do not shoot wide for pano.

That's the problem with stitching...you are taking your chances only to get home to discover you lost the bet. Stitching is great for making panos...but it is not a substitute for a wide angle lens...especially if you are shooting moving subjects.

However, YMMV.



Oct 27, 2016 at 09:07 AM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


chez wrote:
Right...but most people do not shoot wide for pano.

That's the problem with stitching...you are taking your chances only to get home to discover you lost the bet. Stitching is great for making panos...but it is not a substitute for a wide angle lens...especially if you are shooting moving subjects.

However, YMMV.


you seem to want to make global statements, likely that fit your preferences: but there are no 'rules' - use whatever focal length you want to stitch or not stitch - it's just another 'tool' if the situation fits. you're great at pointing out where it doesn't work, but that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of situations where it could work.



Oct 27, 2016 at 09:58 AM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


Yeah, definitely don't need a tripod for stitching. Just steady hands and a bit of care. I use the level and the rule of thirds guide lines to line it up, works great.

As @justruss said, it's ultimately all up to personal preferences and shooting style. It's true that there are lots of situations where stitching doesn't work (dynamic scenes with moving elements), but I don't typically shoot wider than 24mm in those situations. There's no wrong or right way to do any of this, which is why it's one of those questions you can't really answer in general terms that would apply to everyone.



Oct 27, 2016 at 10:27 AM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


Just to add doing panos can be problematic with wide angles like distortion and vignetting issues. Especially in more architectural environments. The very reason why we use tech cams and flat stitch for this type of work but usually not so much wides because of these issues. Best case scenario is like 35/50 and above but again these are critical situations doing landscape is far easier because you don't fight distortion issues as bad, still there but not noticed. Stitching and panos are great techniques but many times not reliable because of many factors. People, wind , movement and lighting are all issues to add to the success or failure. Just have to be careful how you approach it and what is involved in the scene that can work for you or against you. For myself I will do more panos in landscape work since it does not involve some of the pitfalls but architecture work I will flat stitch. Different techniques for different scenarios. T/S lenses work nicely for the more architectural type shots sunce you can control them better. So really depends on what your doing but wide angles can be tough to deal with here.


Oct 27, 2016 at 10:43 AM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


Now on topic I like the Batis 18/25 better than the 16/35. Actually to be brutally honest their is only one zoom I like in Sony FE mount is the GM 24-70 this one is equal to many primes in most of its focal lengths. I had the 16/35 and is a great lens but more on the wide side but again it is a little slow which sometimes can be a issue. Admittedly I'm a prime guy so my opinion maybe tainted a little.


Oct 27, 2016 at 10:48 AM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


Here are some crossover images as you could do these either way. Like either pano or flat stitch 1st one is a pano in MF with a long lens like a 150mm which is about a 90mm in 35mm. Second is a stitch with a tech cam. In either case i could have used either technique . This is the beauty of outdoor shooting as you can cheat more like this.












Oct 27, 2016 at 11:12 AM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · 25 Batis vs Zony 16-35


Okay I lied they are both panos. Both shot with a 150mm. Let me find a stitch image


Oct 27, 2016 at 11:14 AM
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