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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


I just got this lens from a member here on the forum. Yesterday I took test shots in the house and everything was great, even at lower shutter speeds. It was everything you would expect from the VRII.

Today, I took it out for some more test shots at the park, and unfortunately not a single shot came out good. The pictures are hazy, lack contrast, and most importantly very soft. Here's a sample image. What could be possible reasons for this variation? Any suggestions?

Most pictures were like the attached one.




  NIKON D750    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    200mm    f/2.8    1/320s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  







100% Crop

  NIKON D750    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    200mm    f/2.8    1/320s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  




Oct 22, 2016 at 01:44 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


There aren't enough examples, with enough variation. If things looked good indoors, even at low shutter speeds, it suggests it may be a technique or subject issue.

Here, you were apparently shooting at 200mm, f/2.8. Your depth of field is going to be shallow. At a subject distance like thirty feet, I believe your DOF is around one foot. I'd shoot an outdoor subject again but also use f/5.6, f/8, f/16. And combine with some shots at a much higher shutter speed, to rule out any vibration technique questions.

My guess is, don't worry.

hijazist wrote:
I just got this lens from a member here on the forum. Yesterday I took test shots in the house and everything was great, even at lower shutter speeds. It was everything you would expect from the VRII.

Today, I took it out for some more test shots at the park, and unfortunately not a single shot came out good. The pictures are hazy, lack contrast, and most importantly very soft. Here's a sample image. What could be possible reasons for this variation? Any suggestions?





Oct 22, 2016 at 02:41 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


I was suspecting it's my technique too, but I can get sharp shots indoors with lowers shutter speeds. The frame has nothing sharp so I don't think it's a DoF issue. After testing the lens indoors now again I noticed that the images lack sharpness and get hazy in certain situations.

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There aren't enough examples, with enough variation. If things looked good indoors, even at low shutter speeds, it suggests it may be a technique or subject issue.

Here, you were apparently shooting at 200mm, f/2.8. Your depth of field is going to be shallow. At a subject distance like thirty feet, I believe your DOF is around one foot. I'd shoot an outdoor subject again but also use f/5.6, f/8, f/16. And combine with some shots at a much higher shutter speed, to rule out any vibration technique questions.

My guess is, don't worry.





Oct 22, 2016 at 02:49 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


Have you tried testing on a tripod with VR off and see how it performs? The another test with VR on


Oct 22, 2016 at 04:08 AM
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Did you have VR on ? If not, try with it on or higher shutter speed.


Oct 22, 2016 at 11:19 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


Use it, learn it and have fun with that lens. When I get soft snaps as this, I know it's me and not the gear. And this sample is not hazy or lacking contrast on my screen.


Oct 22, 2016 at 12:29 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


It looks to me as if it is slightly front focusing at this focal length and distance. Have you tried making any micro adjustments in camera for this lens?


Oct 22, 2016 at 12:52 PM
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SS is a little low. Try 1/1000th and back off as you get used to the lens.
I see this all the time with folks not used to tele FL/more distant targets. GL



Oct 22, 2016 at 01:46 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


In addition to what's already been discussed, your original photo was taken under extreme conditions for any zoom lens sharpness test. Most any zoom lens will be sharpest when stopped down 1 or 2 stops from wide open. Most f/2.8 lenses will be sharpest at f/7.1 or thereabouts. Second, shooting at the upper end of the zoom range usually induces some amount of pincushion distortion, which will affect the edges, but also detract from the overall image quality.

Here's a link to one of the better testing articles that may help you with your sharpness tests -

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2010/11/how-to-test-a-lens/




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Thanks for your input everyone. As some of you know, I've used and still use a number of Nikon tele lenses including the 300 2.8 VR, Sigma 120-300 Sport, 200/2, 400 2.8 AFSII, etc... I had 5 copies of the 70-200 VRII before, so I have at least a little idea about testing lenses and using them. I am also not a sharpness freak and I've never returned a lens I bought before, so this is not a case of being paranoid.

Here's another shot at a fast shutter speed using LiveView. Not a challenging light, and not a very far subject. Those of you who have a 70-200 VRII, is this what you'd expect from the lens? In addition to the obvious softness in the middle of the frame, notice the right side crop. Same with the 5.6 shot, although the middle gets acceptable, the corners are really bad.




  NIKON D750    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    200mm    f/2.8    1/2000s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  NIKON D750    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    200mm    f/2.8    1/2000s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  NIKON D750    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    200mm    f/2.8    1/2000s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  NIKON D750    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    200mm    f/5.6    1/500s    400 ISO    0.0 EV  






  NIKON D750    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    200mm    f/5.6    1/500s    400 ISO    0.0 EV  




Oct 22, 2016 at 03:23 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


Something's amiss (no pun intended) If you focused on the sign...
then it's backfocusing on the palm behind it. If you're 30' or more
away, adjacent palm should be in better focus than that. I'd be
returning the lens immediately. Perhaps it was knocked around
during the shipping process, I dunno...but it's damaged goods.



Oct 22, 2016 at 03:39 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


trenchmonkey wrote:
Something's amiss (no pun intended) If you focused on the sign...
then it's backfocusing on the palm behind it. If you're 30' or more
away the adjacent palm should be in better focus than that.


Thanks Will Look at the building shot. It's almost 30' far, and even though the center is very good, the corners are really bad.



Oct 22, 2016 at 03:44 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


Yeah, at f5.6 it should be much sharper across the frame.
I don't do 'test shots' but here's what you can expect wide open...




  NIKON D810    200mm    f/2.8    1/2500s    64 ISO    -0.3 EV  




Oct 22, 2016 at 03:48 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


Here a couple of wide open shots with one of the 70-200 VRII that I've owned before. These are 100% crops and the subjects were quite far!











Edited on Oct 23, 2016 at 12:23 AM · View previous versions



Oct 22, 2016 at 04:10 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


Looks like it has decentered lens element(s). The 70-200 VRII does not render like that at all. Look at the swirly OOF and Tamron-like softness on the 1st image. I'd return it faster than trenchmonkey can finish his beer.


Oct 22, 2016 at 05:37 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


Thanks Joseph. The rendering is definitely what tipped me off at first.

I received the lens with a 4mm scratch on the front element with a generic front cap, and that was not mentioned in the description. However, since I'm not very picky and due to the fact that I got a good bargain, I was willing to keep the lens. I can't compromise on image quality, however.

Joseph. wrote:
Looks like it has decentered lens element(s). The 70-200 VRII does not render like that at all. Look at the swirly OOF and Tamron-like softness on the 1st image. I'd return it faster than trenchmonkey can finish his beer.




Oct 22, 2016 at 06:05 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


Try to turn off the VR? Something is wrong. No, it isn't sharp. Even my AF D 80-200 f2.8d ed 2 ring version could produce sharper images than those samples...at 1/320s shutter speed.

NYEquesCentShow_0003 by vracing, on Flickr



Oct 24, 2016 at 01:27 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 70-200 VRII Potential Issue?


TooManyShots wrote:
Try to turn off the VR? Something is wrong. No, it isn't sharp. Even my AF D 80-200 f2.8d ed 2 ring version could produce sharper images than those samples...at 1/320s shutter speed.

https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8650/29888511663_c8e38460d1_b.jpgNYEquesCentShow_0003 by vracing, on Flickr


Thanks for the suggestion. I tried turning off VR, it's still very soft. I took further tests on a tripod and they all look bad. I contacted the seller on Saturday, and even though he/she read the message, I got no response yet.



Oct 24, 2016 at 02:29 PM







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