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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 5D4 + 100-400ii w/1.4xiii: how does it perform?


How well does the 5D4 do with the 100-400ii +1.4xiii combo? And in comparison to the 1Dx2?

I'm a bit offset after using a 1Dx2 loaner for 3 weeks as I'm unsure if I can live with the limited pixel dimensions, the bulk/weight and the steep price. Don't get me wrong it's been a fantastic experience, I took some awesome kids sports (athletics with jumps and other stuff where the 12 fps worked very well. I can operate the camera no problem and feel quite at home already.

However, I only need/want high fps occasionally and for my second camera (next to my 5DsR) I am now leaning towards the 5D4 instead. 7 fps is not 12 or 14, but really the fps is all I would get the 1Dx2 for and if I take the 5DsR+5D4 route, sharing controls layout and batteries makes for easier operation, it would save me over 2000 bucks and I could still retain the f/8 61AF points but at higher resolution. But is it reliable and steady?

So the question is: how do you like your 100-400ii w/ 1.4xiii extender? How does IS behave? IS mode I can be a little shaky on my 5DsR @560mm. On the 1Dx2 it's flawless.

Thanks for sharing your experience

Kind regards,
Ralph



Oct 08, 2016 at 09:06 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 5D4 + 100-400ii w/1.4xiii: how does it perform?


Haven't shot the 5D4+100-400 II + 1.4TC combo that much yet, though have shot the 100-400 II + 1/4TC with the 7D2, 5D3 and 5DsR a lot. My impression is that with the 5D4 you will be closer to your 1Dx2 experience.


Oct 08, 2016 at 10:38 PM
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rabbitmountain wrote:
So the question is: how do you like your 100-400ii w/ 1.4xiii extender? How does IS behave? IS mode I can be a little shaky on my 5DsR @560mm. On the 1Dx2 it's flawless.


Nothing at all shaky about the IS when used with the 5DSR.

1/80 sec. and 50% crop:





  Canon EOS 5DS R    EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM +1.4x III lens    560mm    f/8.0    1/80s    1600 ISO    +0.3 EV  




Oct 08, 2016 at 11:45 PM
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Higher shutter-speed, but I was a lot shakier after 15 minutes of shooting nearly straight up handheld.




  Canon EOS 5DS R    EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM +1.4x III lens    560mm    f/16.0    1/500s    800 ISO    -0.3 EV  




Oct 08, 2016 at 11:48 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 5D4 + 100-400ii w/1.4xiii: how does it perform?


Remarkable vantage point. Very personal proximity.


Oct 08, 2016 at 11:52 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 5D4 + 100-400ii w/1.4xiii: how does it perform?


I have been shooting the 5DSR/5DIV combination for a while and really like them both.
One big advantage is that the controls are almost identical.
For me the super fast burst rate is something I rarely would need.
I usually have the 100-400II mounted on the 5DIV (unless I have my 500 with me) and it is a very impressive lens.



Oct 09, 2016 at 12:00 AM
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Are all 61 AF points active if the 1.4 TC II is used instead of 1.4 TC III between 100-400 II and 5DIV?


Oct 09, 2016 at 03:41 AM
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Loren E wrote:
Are all 61 AF points active if the 1.4 TC II is used instead of 1.4 TC III between 100-400 II and 5DIV?


No, needs to be a Mark III TC to get all the points. Same on the 1DX2 also. You will get 9 points with the MkII. One above and one below the centre point and three to the left and right.



Oct 09, 2016 at 07:11 AM
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MedicineMan404 wrote:
Remarkable vantage point. Very personal proximity.


Interesting. Would you care to elaborate on this?



Oct 09, 2016 at 07:34 AM
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Thank you for clarifying! Much appreciated.

arbitrage wrote:
No, needs to be a Mark III TC to get all the points. Same on the 1DX2 also. You will get 9 points with the MkII. One above and one below the centre point and three to the left and right.




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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 5D4 + 100-400ii w/1.4xiii: how does it perform?


...we are meant to be talking about the 5D Mark IV, 5DIV, 5D4 here, no?


Oct 09, 2016 at 10:08 AM
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rabbitmountain wrote:
Interesting. Would you care to elaborate on this?


What sort of elaboration do you require



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John_T wrote:
...we are meant to be talking about the 5D Mark IV, 5DIV, 5D4 here, no?


Mark IV camera, Mark III TC.



Oct 09, 2016 at 02:55 PM
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John_T wrote:
...we are meant to be talking about the 5D Mark IV, 5DIV, 5D4 here, no?


You would think so. I have not tested the 5D IV/100-400 with the 1.4x TC yet.
Maybe I can break out the 12233 next weekend.

EBH



Oct 09, 2016 at 03:16 PM
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Imagemaster wrote:
What sort of elaboration do you require


Maybe my english falls short now and then. I interpreted this as a "remarkable (peculiar?) way of looking at it" (had to look that up) and that my question (or part thereof) is subject to wide interpretation because everyone's needs differ. But of course I may be totally wrong, hence my request to elaborate. Not trying to be offensive, I just wondered what MedicineMan meant to say.



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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 5D4 + 100-400ii w/1.4xiii: how does it perform?


rabbitmountain wrote:
Maybe my english falls short now and then. I interpreted this as a "remarkable (peculiar?) way of looking at it" (had to look that up) and that my question (or part thereof) is subject to wide interpretation because everyone's needs differ. But of course I may be totally wrong, hence my request to elaborate. Not trying to be offensive, I just wondered what MedicineMan meant to say.


I think all he meant to say was that shooting nearly directly under a heron at that close of a distance is remarkable.

JMO.



Oct 09, 2016 at 11:04 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 5D4 + 100-400ii w/1.4xiii: how does it perform?


Silly me. Thanks Tony.


Oct 10, 2016 at 12:45 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 5D4 + 100-400ii w/1.4xiii: how does it perform?


With the 5DII and the 100-400ii, my results have been hit and miss. (Maybe it's my technique.) But I'm interested in how the 100-400ii performs with the 5DIV vs 5Ds(R). To the original post, I'm also interested in the comparison with the 1.4x (since that may be a future purchase). I'm not a birder, but I shoot some sports.

Many thanks.

Jay



Oct 10, 2016 at 12:47 AM
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jay w wrote:
With the 5DII and the 100-400ii, my results have been hit and miss. (Maybe it's my technique.) But I'm interested in how the 100-400ii performs with the 5DIV vs 5Ds(R). To the original post, I'm also interested in the comparison with the 1.4x (since that may be a future purchase). I'm not a birder, but I shoot some sports.

Many thanks.

Jay


A f/5.6 lens does not AF with the 1.4x on the 5D II or did I miss something?

EBH



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jay w wrote:
With the 5DII and the 100-400ii, my results have been hit and miss. (Maybe it's my technique.) But I'm interested in how the 100-400ii performs with the 5DIV vs 5Ds(R). To the original post, I'm also interested in the comparison with the 1.4x (since that may be a future purchase). I'm not a birder, but I shoot some sports.

Many thanks.

Jay


Hi Jay,
If you are talking about the bare 100-400ii (without the 1.4x extender) then I can tell you that the 5DsR is a remarkably accurate camera. You can use only centre-point AF with the 1.4xiii on, but if you shoot the bare lens you have all AF points available and when I compare 5DsR + 100-400ii vs 1Dx2 + 100-400ii + 1.4xiii, the 5DsR files look as good or better than the 1Dx2. The 5DsR has a little more detail, even without the 1.4xiii due to the pixel dimensions.

A strong negative for the 5DsR is the blackout time and limited fps. 5D4 will suit you better if you do a lot of sports. But in FL limited situations (e.g. wildlife) the 5DsR is fantastic with the 100-400ii.



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