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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


I mistakenly posted these in the Nikon forum
Imagemaster suggested putting them in the Canon forum....so for any who might have an interest here
are three images take via a 1DXii + Tamron 150-600mm G2.
Unfortunately they are not at 600mm with the TC-I wouldn't have been able to fit the hawk in the view at that focal length
Here is the EXIF it that might help someone-

Canon EOS-1D X Mark II
TAMRON SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD G2 A022 +1.4x III
/9.0 358.0 mm 1/1600 1600 Flash (off, did not fire)

Note ISO 1600 in FULL Sun to get 1/1600 and that was at 358mm, image what it takes at 600mm (with TC)

These shots were literally my first with this lens. I spent 2 hours in one of three blinds waiting for a little bird and nothing---not even a Cardinal and we have 3 nesting pairs on the property I gave up on the little birds, put a couple pieces of chicken on the hawk tower and decided to eat dinner. When I was done I looked out the window to see 'Harry' grabbing his meal. Went outside put the camera/lens on a fence rail and instantly he flew-

Tam 150-600 G2 + 1.4 TC by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr

Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr

Tamron 150-600/G2 + TC1.4 by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr

I've since tried this TamG2 on the 7Dii with the 1.4TC and had not so great success until I used the range limiter. Still the 1DXii and the 7Dii will hunt at 600mm with the TC, the 1DXii not so bad. Without using the range limiter the 7Dii is fine at 150mm, slows at 300, hunting begins at 450, hunts forever at 600mm. The 1D body is snappy at any all all focal lengths up to 550mm (again with the TC), from 550 to 600mm I have to move the kit around a bit maybe to find more contrast but then it gets focus....and much faster with the limiter engaged.

I don't plan on using the TC often, me thinking do or die situations where its the only way to reach. I did come into the TamG2 with 1.4TC with no high hopes-we all know TCs have their costs. That said I'm honestly happily surprised and really it's not as bad as the DigitalRev (only review I've read) led on.

We've got Panama coming up next month and the TamG2 will be on the 1D body for the jungle walks where I don't want to fall and crack a big white EOS-I'll keep those in camp for the critters that come in

Have to say I'm a Tamron fanboy. They worked from the get-go on my Sonys via Metabones even before firmware updates, now even snappier. I love the Tamron 15-30 too. Oh, I've had the 1st gen Tam 150-600 for the Sony a77ii and love that combo...you'd think I work for Tamron!

Build quality= much improved over 1st gen. Very smooth focus/zoom ring. Fit and finish top notch. The TC fits like fine machined glove.

Overall amateur's conclusion=what else can I hand carry and wield for hours hand held that also gives up 840mm and we all know this ain't a Canon 800/5.6 right

Next day we get some more Sun I'll try the TamG2 on the 5Dsr.

Hope this helps someone considering.




Oct 07, 2016 at 08:42 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


I tried the 1.4 on the G2 at the photokina in low light on my 1dxII and was far from impressed. Without tc however, a very good performing lens.


Oct 07, 2016 at 09:44 AM
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therealthings wrote:
I tried the 1.4 on the G2 at the photokina in low light on my 1dxII and was far from impressed. Without tc however, a very good performing lens.


I can't see using the TC in low light at all. Only in seriously good light would I bother; well unless I was in the mood to shoot ISO 25,000



Oct 07, 2016 at 10:13 AM
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therealthings wrote:
I tried the 1.4 on the G2 at the photokina in low light on my 1dxII and was far from impressed. Without tc however, a very good performing lens.


Gonna need light, one way or another, for such a combo...



Oct 07, 2016 at 10:14 AM
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MedicineMan404 wrote:
I can't see using the TC in low light at all. Only in seriously good light would I bother; well unless I was in the mood to shoot ISO 25,000


I did set it to 25k ISO but not only the AF was miserable, also the OIS was not impressive with tc (not compared to e.g. the 100-400 II with 1.4x), and the image sharpness from a tripod on a static subject with tc was nothing to write home about. If i were to recommend this lens, i would never recommend using a tc unless you really have to.




Oct 07, 2016 at 10:18 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


25K, oh really! and still poor AF. Says a lot.


Oct 07, 2016 at 10:40 AM
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MedicineMan404 wrote:
25K, oh really! and still poor AF. Says a lot.


The AF is depending on light paths through the lens being available. At f/9 (which is the aperture of the combination of lens and 1.4x TC) it is outside that limit. Take a binocular and adjust it to your eyes, including the distance between them, then further reduce the distance between the two eye sights - now try to see something through that binocular, that's the same effect the f/9 aperture has on the focusing system of your DSLR...



Oct 07, 2016 at 11:24 AM
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MedicineMan404 wrote:
25K, oh really! and still poor AF. Says a lot.


I did not say i used 25k for focus, but for eliminating motion blur in indoor conditions leaving reasonable shutter speeds.



Oct 07, 2016 at 11:33 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


Used a Sony body with the lens and comment and complain? Lol


Oct 07, 2016 at 11:36 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


The focusing sensor that works up to -3 EV usually operates at ISO 6.4 Million or higher...


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


MedicineMan404 wrote:
25K, oh really! and still poor AF. Says a lot.


No, it doesn't. The ISO has nothing to do with the amount of light passing through the lens and onto the sensor.



Oct 07, 2016 at 03:00 PM
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charlyw wrote:
The focusing sensor that works up to -3 EV usually operates at ISO 6.4 Million or higher...


It's all dependant on how much light is actually in the scene. You could get ISO 6.4 million in a bright, sunny day if you stopped way down and used a fast shutter speed, or you could get ISO 6.4 million in star light. ISO is completely dependent on shutter speed and aperture, which has no effect on the AF system (except for the max aperture of the lens, but the chosen aperture has no effect).



Oct 07, 2016 at 03:16 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


Lauchlan Toal wrote:
It's all dependant on how much light is actually in the scene. You could get ISO 6.4 million in a bright, sunny day if you stopped way down and used a fast shutter speed, or you could get ISO 6.4 million in star light. ISO is completely dependent on shutter speed and aperture, which has no effect on the AF system (except for the max aperture of the lens, but the chosen aperture has no effect).


False, the autofocus sensor operates on a tight light beam isolated by the beam splitter. The positioning of the beam splitters and the sensor line sizes point towars an average aperture of these isolated beams of f/28 - independant of the lens speed - if the lens speed is sufficient for autofocus these beams are unobscured, if the lens speed is insufficient these beams are partially or fully blocked (simple matter of geometry). To be functional at -3 EV at 30 - 60 measurements per second (the latter with macro lenses with USM motor in recent cameras) you can calculate the needed ISO of the AF sensor lines at around the 6.4 Million... It's all in the way the focusing sensors work - the problems if the lens+tc combination originate simply from the beam splitter positions with the isolated beams at f/9 partially blocked.



Oct 07, 2016 at 09:08 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


5Dsr this time, no TC, using 580EXii with MagBounce. Bird approx 55 feet away.
I have no idea what bird this is Defaul sharpening LR, no DN. Resized in PScc to
1098.

Unknown bird by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Oct 08, 2016 at 08:30 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


Same set up as above but using MagMod flash extender. Cardinal approx 20 feet away.

Cardinal on apple by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Oct 08, 2016 at 08:31 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


I wouldn't use the 1.4x TC with the 7DII as a general rule (unless it's a static or slow moving subject). It, already is a 1.6x TC compared to 1DXII, so still out-pixels the 1DXII + 1.4x combo. 7DII + 150-600 will AF better than 1DXII + 150-600 + 1.4x. Same story with 5DsR, keep the lens bare for AF work.

Good to see though the IQ holds up really well. Looks like a winner.

What I want to see is the TAmron on the SOny A9II, I thi9nk it's coming in A-mount, I want to see hwat 42MP and 12fps can do with their fancy new hybrid AF system. Has me much more intrigued than 5D4.



Oct 09, 2016 at 12:08 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


Do you find the IQ better than other 150-600 lenses and can you describe a comparison without a TC to known Canon lenses?

EBH



Oct 09, 2016 at 12:11 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


MedicineMan404 wrote:
Same set up as above but using MagMod flash extender. Cardinal approx 20 feet away.



Looks very good. Would be nice if you did not strip the EXIF from the image.



Oct 09, 2016 at 12:46 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


Pixel Perfect wrote:
I wouldn't use the 1.4x TC with the 7DII as a general rule (unless it's a static or slow moving subject). It, already is a 1.6x TC compared to 1DXII, so still out-pixels the 1DXII + 1.4x combo. 7DII + 150-600 will AF better than 1DXII + 150-600 + 1.4x. Same story with 5DsR, keep the lens bare for AF work.

Good to see though the IQ holds up really well. Looks like a winner.

What I want to see is the TAmron on the SOny A9II, I thi9nk it's coming in A-mount, I want to see hwat 42MP and 12fps
...Show more

Somehow I'm not expecting 42-50 MP IQ from this lens, especially at 600 mm.

EBH



Oct 09, 2016 at 12:52 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Several shots using the Tamron 150-600 G2 with 1.4TC


Imagemaster wrote:
Looks very good. Would be nice if you did not strip the EXIF from the image.


Promise I didn't do it on purpose, in fact I wouldn't know how to strip or add. Remember I'm a noob in the big picture of all of this.
But I just ate some crow. I clicked on the link to get to the Flickr page to copy the EXIF for you to post here and guess what, it says no flash!

Canon EOS 5DS R
TAMRON SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD G2 A022
/8.0 600.0 mm 1/200 1250 Flash (off, did not fire)

And I swear I was using flash! EXIF doesn't lie though.
Sad for me because I'm trying to learn flash 101.



Oct 09, 2016 at 01:22 AM
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