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p.48 #1 · p.48 #1 · Official: Voigtlander 65mm f/2 Macro Apo-Lanthar for $999


I'm still finding losing the magnification is solved in general with 4.0, quite a few exposures later, but I do find that if I touch the aperture ring at all when magnified, I might lose it. I do have a tendency to have a finger on that ring, so I know -- but now it's very clear that is the trigger for losing it. Before, with 3.3, I suspected that as a problem but it was not at all clear. I would lose the magnification also without touching the lens, even the focus ring. I suspect maybe my copy of the lens is a bit extra sensitive about registering any movement of that ring.

I lose magnification if I change any camera setting while it is magnified (EV, Aperture, but not focus) with this CPU lens. I haven't really registered whether this is the case with the Loxias.




Oct 02, 2017 at 01:18 PM
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I compared the CV 65 to the Rokkor 58 1.2 in a sharpness/bokeh test for whatever it's worth. Handheld, unfortunately. The light changed a little bit between lens changes. I think this test would be a "normal" bokeh situation, neither extremely soft nor extremely contrasty. Sun was hitting the birch trees and foliage across the little pond, and those bright trunks and leaves were casting reflections on the water. Focus was on the mid-field, where a cattail leaf folds over another one. I think the distance was about what you might call "normal" portrait distance.

First the Rokkor at f2, legendary bokeh:






Next the f2 CV 65. Bokeh is very close. There was a little bit more light on the foliage at this point, so I think it is a bit contrastier naturally:






Rokkor focus point (midfield at f2, not a strong point)






cv at f2 :






I expected at f2.8 the rokkor would step up the sharpness quite a bit while the CV would start to show structured bokeh. But I think the bokeh is still pretty close.

Rokkor f2.8:






cv f2.8:






focus point rokkor f2.8 (maybe my focus was off?):






cv f2.8






by f4 the Rokkor is getting pretty sharp. But surely the bokeh of the cv will be getting ragged, as I would expect? No. Running pretty even still.

rokkor 58 at f4:






cv 65 at f4:






This time bokeh details:

rokkor f4:






cv f4:






It's funny, I "feel" like the CV is not a bokeh lens particularly. I tend to have an expectation that the CV might struggle to have good bokeh once it is stopped down a bit -- and it certainly can if the scene is very contrasty. But in a test like this it's hard to pick the Rokkor as being particularly better at bokeh, while it's clearly struggling in sharpness in the midfield before f4.





Oct 02, 2017 at 07:08 PM
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I don't think I need to go through f8. In this test another one of my expectations was shown the door. I thought the CV bokeh would show more detail, but right through to f8 I can't really see it as more detailed than the Rokkor in this scene.


Oct 02, 2017 at 07:22 PM
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Seems like the CV bokeh does have some more structure to it than the Rokkor, but it is hard to tell with changing light. It would be great to do the test a bit more formally--on a tripod, remote release, same focus point, and consistent light if possible. Still, I think you are right in that the CV bokeh is really not bad at all. The CV 65 has a number of strengths and very few weaknesses. Am glad I have one in my bag.


Oct 02, 2017 at 08:03 PM
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jlehet wrote:
The focus-magnify was so intermittently twitch with the CV 65 on my camera, this morning I was contemplating sending it in for warranty. The magnification just would not hold, even moving the focus box around was weird. I had also started to notice some weirdness with the camera when using this lens, like the tripod timed exposure sometimes would fail and I'd need to restart the camera to get it reliable. This morning it seemed particularly bad, and I suddenly had the thought: Camera Firmware. I was still at 3.30 on the a7rii. When 4.0 came out in the summer
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jlehet wrote:
I bet you're running firmware 4.0, Fred? Anyone running 3.30 or lower and using this lens without glitches in focus-magnify?

If the answer to the latter is yes, than I think I will send in. As it is, it seems good now that I updated the FW. I just made some afternoon exposures and the glitch didn't happen at all.


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Fred Miranda wrote:
I'm on FW 4.0.


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JimKasson wrote:
Spoke too soon. I had been using the EVF with no problem, but when I put the camera on a copy stand and use the LCD panel for viewing, now I have it, too. Guess I'll upgrade.

Sure wish there were an option to invert all the LCD menus. But then, the way the back multipurpose dial would have to me rejiggered.

Jim



I just received my copy (honestly it just found its way into my shopping cart ... no idea how ) but I have the same problem ... it only stays in focus mag (low or high) for a second or few.

I have a 2nd A7R2 body so I checked it and it has exactly the same issue with the lens. Both bodies on V4 F/W.

Then tried it on an a6300 and it again does the same thing.

I rechecked one of my A7R2 bodies with a 21mm Loxia (the only other MF E mount lens I have that auto magnifies when the focus it turned) and it still works fine (ie stays in focus mag as it should).

I boxed it up ready to return.

Mike



Oct 02, 2017 at 09:48 PM
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jlehet, that door is seeing a lot of traffic these days. Thanks for the demo.


Oct 02, 2017 at 10:01 PM
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p.48 #7 · p.48 #7 · Official: Voigtlander 65mm f/2 Macro Apo-Lanthar for $999


Are you guys finding this problem only with auto-magnification, or with manual magnification via button?

I ask because I haven't seen the issue, but I never use auto-mag: though I'm always using button magnification.



Oct 02, 2017 at 10:43 PM
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I'm not a fan of auto magnification on MF lenses on my mirrorless - Pany G85 and A7RII - it's too easy for it to go away when you don't want it to and/or go to 100% mag when you don't want it to. So I typically have this turned off and just rely on a dedicated button to trigger 100% mag.

Seems like there may be some open box/used 65mm f/2 CVs to be had - where did you return your 65/2 APO? I'll take it off their hand for 75% of the MSRP



Oct 02, 2017 at 11:12 PM
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p.48 #9 · p.48 #9 · Official: Voigtlander 65mm f/2 Macro Apo-Lanthar for $999


I donít use the auto magnification either. I have custom button 1 for this instead. My hand is on the lens most of the time and I knock it off when I donít want to with auto. So I do it manually


Oct 03, 2017 at 12:05 AM
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p.48 #10 · p.48 #10 · Official: Voigtlander 65mm f/2 Macro Apo-Lanthar for $999


I used both auto and manual and got the same issue. It also has no impact if I'm touching the aperture ring or not.

Mike



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p.48 #11 · p.48 #11 · Official: Voigtlander 65mm f/2 Macro Apo-Lanthar for $999


Is this happening with any body. Iím using a A9


Oct 03, 2017 at 12:18 AM
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p.48 #12 · p.48 #12 · Official: Voigtlander 65mm f/2 Macro Apo-Lanthar for $999


I checked on 2 A7R2 bodies and an a6300 and got the same issue. So definitely lens related and it's boxed up with an RMA ...


Oct 03, 2017 at 12:20 AM
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I've had no issue with mine (not using auto-magnification but manual) on my A9.

For those that have the issue, I wonder if the lens has some intermittent loss of connection with the camera or something like that...



Oct 03, 2017 at 12:20 AM
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Could be something like that. I have seen this same issue a couple of times using adapted lenses when the adapter was a bit too long and touched the contacts. In that case the problem would happen when I held and wiggled the lens a little. I was able to cure it with Guy's favorite photography tool ... a dremel by shaving a little off the back of the adapter over the contact area (these were dumb adapters). I did check to see if lens wiggling affected this on the 65mm VC and it made no difference. The lens-body (all 3) connection is very solid too.


Oct 03, 2017 at 12:27 AM
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Mine acted up again this afternoon. I thought the firmware really fixed it. Disappointing, as I really don't want to be without it at this time. I hope B&H will be good to deal with.


Oct 03, 2017 at 12:52 AM
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p.48 #16 · p.48 #16 · Official: Voigtlander 65mm f/2 Macro Apo-Lanthar for $999


When it was really acting up, last week, I switched from button to auto magnification to see if it would help. It didn't, and in general I feel undo the auto magnification to be much less pleasant with no benefit. Back to button.


Oct 03, 2017 at 12:57 AM
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jlehet wrote:
I compared the CV 65 to the Rokkor 58 1.2 in a sharpness/bokeh test for whatever it's worth. Handheld, unfortunately. The light changed a little bit between lens changes. I think this test would be a "normal" bokeh situation, neither extremely soft nor extremely contrasty. Sun was hitting the birch trees and foliage across the little pond, and those bright trunks and leaves were casting reflections on the water. Focus was on the mid-field, where a cattail leaf folds over another one. I think the distance was about what you might call "normal" portrait distance.

First the Rokkor at f2, legendary
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thanks for the comparison. most lenses, with a few exceptions, actually improve their stopping down (unless they have annoying shaped apertures like hexagons), so i would expect the two lenses to converge as you stop down.



Oct 03, 2017 at 06:42 AM
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Yeah, very often the case, though I'm not sure it's the case with this lens, though again, it's more of a feeling I have than anything that shows up in any comparisons I've made. I tend to like the bokeh of the cv65 best wide open and like it a little less with each stop. That may just be because the bokeh balls, when they show up, are unappealing to me even though they're not hexagons (though I'm developing a taste for them).

The Loxia 50 is another one where I'm not sure the bokeh improves with stopping down, but it's kind of complicated with that lens too.

As for my magnification glitch that happened briefly yesterday afternoon, it was gone again this morning. Quite a few exposures and no issue.



Oct 03, 2017 at 02:12 PM
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p.48 #19 · p.48 #19 · Official: Voigtlander 65mm f/2 Macro Apo-Lanthar for $999


Mine is on it's way back to B&H to be replaced. I'll update on how the replacement works when I get it...


Oct 03, 2017 at 06:57 PM
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p.48 #20 · p.48 #20 · Official: Voigtlander 65mm f/2 Macro Apo-Lanthar for $999


Seems that Sony gives interesting answer to DigLloyd, when he sent his camera to Sony for this issue of exiting from magnification (sounded similar issue as people have been having with Voigtlšnder).

Sony write according to DigLloyd:
Sony stated that 3rd party lenses like Zeiss Loxia and Zeiss Batis are not supported.


https://diglloyd.com/blog/2017/20171003_1052-SonyA7R_II-repair-not-reproducible.html

Samuli



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