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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Difference between Leica Elmarit 28mm E55 vs. E48 R3?


I found a Leica Elmarit 28mm E48 R3, but when I looked on Leica-Wiki
(http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/R_Lenses_x_Focal_Length),
I can't find the E48. There are R3's under both E55 and the other versions, but what I really want is an E55 since that appears to be the "best" version of the 28mm. It's also the one that really impresses me when I look at the photos that were taken on this website.

What would be the E48 in comparison to the E55 and is it any good? The guy wants $450.
Thanks.





Sep 12, 2016 at 02:51 PM
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billsamuels wrote:
I found a Leica Elmarit 28mm E48 R3, but when I looked on Leica-Wiki
(http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/R_Lenses_x_Focal_Length),
I can't find the E48. There are R3's under both E55 and the other versions, but what I really want is an E55 since that appears to be the "best" version of the 28mm. It's also the one that really impresses me when I look at the photos that were taken on this website.

What would be the E48 in comparison to the E55 and is it any good? The guy wants $450.
Thanks.



Hi Bill,

There were 2 Leica R 28mm f2.8 lens versions, the V1 and the V2 with different numbers of Cams (2 or 3, R only, or ROM). For usage as an adapted lens you do not need a ROM version (which would only be useful for more information transferred to a Leica R8 or R9 film camera) and you would pay more for a feature that you do not need. The V2 lens has a floating element for better performance close-up and there were only 3700 manufactured while there were over 50,000 of the V1 manufactured.

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/28mm_f/2.8_Elmarit-R_I

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/28mm_f/2.8_Elmarit-R_II

Hands down the newer lens, V2 is the better performing lens but it is in much demand and quite costly often selling for over $2000. I paid as I recall about $2200 or so several years ago for mine in M/M- condition.

At present there are an abnormally large number of V 2 lens on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEICA-28MM-F-2-8-ELMARIT-R-BLACK-ROM-LENS-11333-USED-/131930888830?hash=item1eb7b19a7e:g:IVEAAOSwdIFXzuIH

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEICA-28MM-F-2-8-ELMARIT-R-BLACK-ROM-LENS-11333-USED-/172248563161?hash=item281ad07dd9:g:R5oAAOSwepJXaHkq

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BOXED-Leica-Elmarit-R-28mm-f-2-8-ROM-Lens-from-Japan-0327-/291870598238?hash=item43f4d7e45e:g:ejUAAOSwCfdXpgYT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-Elmarit-R-28mm-F-2-8-Version-II-ROM-E55-Lens-MINT-/301819178320?hash=item4645d32d50:g:QbsAAOSwnH1WZll-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Near-MINT-Leica-ELMARIT-R-28mm-F2-8-ROM-w-E55-UVA-Filter-from-Japan-831-/172332398144?hash=item281fcfb640:g:gb4AAOSwWC1XphE4

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEICA-28mm-ELMARIT-R-F2-8-VII-ROM-R-LENS-W-CAPS-MINT-/282166070839?hash=item41b2688e37:g:ez8AAOSwYSlXhBNf

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-Elmarit-R-28mm-f-2-8-MF-Lens-ROM-V-II-3701142-PRISTINE-OPTICS-/272338583010?hash=item3f68a4fde2:g:1TYAAOSwU-pXrSn0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-Elmarit-R-28mm-f-2-8-3-MF-3-Cam-Lens-V-II-3625149-PRISTINE-OPTICS-/262574151017?hash=item3d22a39569:g:yhgAAOSw9NdXrSUh

Rich



Sep 12, 2016 at 03:13 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Difference between Leica Elmarit 28mm E55 vs. E48 R3?


I used to own the Leica Elmarit version II. I am tempted to buy it again. I wonder how it would compare to the new Summilux M 28, tho the M is a LOT more dough. The MTF's of the M seem a bit better and it is faster, but at a large price.....


Sep 12, 2016 at 04:54 PM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Bill,

There were 2 Leica R 28mm f2.8 lens versions, the V1 and the V2 with different numbers of Cams (2 or 3, R only, or ROM). For usage as an adapted lens you do not need a ROM version (which would only be useful for more information transferred to a Leica R8 or R9 film camera) and you would pay more for a feature that you do not need. The V2 lens has a floating element for better performance close-up and there were only 3700 manufactured while there were over 50,000 of the V1 manufactured.

Rich



Thanks Rich, that is extremely helpful. Now I know what's going on with the E-48, which has got to be the older V1. And if the V2 is much better, then it's not worth getting V1 because I have an Olympus 28mm w/ an adapter, a Zeiss 25mm, and two zoom lenses that cover that range. However, I'm willing to unload a couple of my other lenses for a really spectacular lens and from the photos I saw taken w/ the E55, it would be well worth it. A Canon lens, even some of the "L" lenses aren't quite as sharp as some of the photos I saw on the Elmarit 28mm E55.

The exception I think that Canon has is the 16-35 F/4L which is razor sharp, along with the 25-105, which is also very sharp, but it does have an odd distortion at the wider end.

The Olympus lens I have isn't very good, though it was good at the time on an Olympus film camera.



Sep 12, 2016 at 05:11 PM
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billsamuels wrote:
Thanks Rich, that is extremely helpful. Now I know what's going on with the E-48, which has got to be the older V1. And if the V2 is much better, then it's not worth getting V1 because I have an Olympus 28mm w/ an adapter, a Zeiss 25mm, and two zoom lenses that cover that range. However, I'm willing to unload a couple of my other lenses for a really spectacular lens and from the photos I saw taken w/ the E55, it would be well worth it. A Canon lens, even some of the "L" lenses aren't quite as
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Hi Bill,

There are a number of us on FM that have the 28mm f2.8 V2 lens including Jack (Jako), Bob Israel (rji2goleez), and I alll have the lens and would be happy to post images. Bob is just the most recent and has been quite pleased with his and has been using the lens with the Techpro AF adapter with his A7rII. If you want, I will happy to post some images here.

Rich




Sep 12, 2016 at 08:07 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Difference between Leica Elmarit 28mm E55 vs. E48 R3?


I desperately want to join the 28 v2 club with you guys. Probably going to sell my 21 Distagon to do it. I'm slightly tempted to hold off and save for the 28 Otus, but I don't really think I need it.


Sep 12, 2016 at 08:57 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Difference between Leica Elmarit 28mm E55 vs. E48 R3?


Damn, I got distracted reading an article and missed by a few seconds getting one for $1500 :'(

I really wish eBay auctions were designed to go to the highest bidder instead of the best bid snipers. It's bad for everyone (except the snipers of course). I think every new leading bid within ten minutes of auction end ought to *extend* the auction ten minutes to give people a chance to respond.

/rant



Sep 13, 2016 at 10:53 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Difference between Leica Elmarit 28mm E55 vs. E48 R3?


Lee Saxon wrote:
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I really wish eBay auctions were designed to go to the highest bidder instead of the best bid snipers. .../rant


You realise of course that the first bid can also be the highest, even despite snipers trying to out bid you. You just have to bid more then they are willing to.

On the R2.8/28E55, I have one too but I find I tend to use the R 2.8/24 more (on an A7R2). That's really only because I'm tending to need wider angles than 28 even though the 24 is not as good a lens technically.

The R 2.8/28 is a nice lens on the Canon, but TBH I tended to use the Contax or Zuiko, neither of which are better, just different.
http://www.photocornucopia.com/images/Lenses/General/g_025_1000.jpg

R2.8/24, although not suitable for canon except with Live View
http://www.photocornucopia.com/images/Lenses/Leica/R24/IMG_2014_1000_pc.jpg



Sep 13, 2016 at 04:00 PM
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JohnJ wrote:
You realise of course that the first bid can also be the highest, even despite snipers trying to out bid you. You just have to bid more then they are willing to.


Yeah. I could've decided I was willing to pay $1650 but firmly no more, and just entered that maximum bid from the start. But it takes a lot of willpower (a) to not want to yourself be a bid sniper so you don't get bid up to that limit and (b) to not be filled with regret when somebody comes in at the last second and gets it for $1651.




Sep 13, 2016 at 05:36 PM
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Lee Saxon wrote:
I desperately want to join the 28 v2 club with you guys. Probably going to sell my 21 Distagon to do it. I'm slightly tempted to hold off and save for the 28 Otus, but I don't really think I need it.


Wow, you're going to sell an Otus? That's a fantastic lens, probably better than a Leica! I would grab an Otus if someone sold it to me for the right price!

These weren't taken w/ a Leica lens, but while I was meeting the person at a Starbucks from craigslist to buy the Leica Summicron-R 50mm, I had ordered a week earlier (it was in the mail) a Zeiss Planar T 50mm F/1.7 C/Y. As I mentioned before, it's sharper than the Leica I have and while there is a magical quality about the Leica photos, there is a sharpness about this lens that Leica doesn't have. Unfortunately, I figured out that it doesn't have the close-up qualities unless I were to use an extension tube, which I didn't have for these photos.





F/5.6, 1/640, ISO 100






F/5.6, 1/1250, ISO 200






F/5.6, 1/640, ISO 100






F/5.6, 1/640, ISO 100






F/5.6, 1/400, ISO 100




Sep 13, 2016 at 06:11 PM
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Lee Saxon wrote:
Yeah. I could've decided I was willing to pay $1650 but firmly no more, and just entered that maximum bid from the start. But it takes a lot of willpower (a) to not want to yourself be a bid sniper so you don't get bid up to that limit and (b) to not be filled with regret when somebody comes in at the last second and gets it for $1651.



Most of the times I've won an Ebay auction I'd bid dramatically more than the final winning bid. In other words, a final winning bid of say, $350, might have resulted from a bid of $500 (for example) where the next highest bidder was just under $350 (eg $299).

This idea of losing an item by a dollar is rubbish about 99% of the time.



Sep 14, 2016 at 07:47 AM
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Leica R Elmarit 28 E55









Sep 15, 2016 at 03:59 AM
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JohnJ wrote:
Most of the times I've won an Ebay auction I'd bid dramatically more than the final winning bid. In other words, a final winning bid of say, $350, might have resulted from a bid of $500 (for example) where the next highest bidder was just under $350 (eg $299).

This idea of losing an item by a dollar is rubbish about 99% of the time.


This.

In my experience it's a poor strategy to enter a maximum bid from the start, in that you're giving the other bidders a target to match then surpass. Better to follow the bidding process until a few minutes before the auction closes, although you'll already have a maximum bid amount in mind. At that point, the bidding will frequently have settled and, if it's more than your maximum, then you close the browser tab and wait for the next auction for a similar item. If it's less than your maximum then JohnJ's strategy will usually be successful.

JohnJ's dollar amounts ($350 vs $500) are also realistic. I generally bid 30-40% above the highest bid just before the end (assuming that amount is within my maximum). And I'm usually pleasantly surprised to win the item for significantly less than the amount I'd bid. The difference between this approach and that of bidding the maximum from the start is that the willpower is required at the end rather than at the beginning.




Sep 15, 2016 at 05:18 AM





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