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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


seems like Nikon is catching up to Canon but only for DX lenses with their AF-P lenses

AF should be quieter and fast, and I guess the lens will weigh less too

are there any downsides?

I'm not clear on why they are not moving the FF lenses to AF-P (yet)



Aug 17, 2016 at 02:18 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


Zero resale value?! like all the other entry level DX offerings.


Aug 17, 2016 at 03:39 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


No need for resale value, they are cheap.
Plastic fantastic.



Aug 17, 2016 at 03:53 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


Surely you don't believe that the closest Nikon has come to Canon lenses is with the AF-P kit lenses for the D3400...

The AF-P lenses use stepping motors to drive the AF assembly, and is mostly done for quieter AF during video (they are quieter than the DC micro motors commonly found in the cheap lenses). Lots of mirrorless camera lenses have stepping motors as well, as they lend themselves well to CDAF applications. They really aren't anything special, and have been around for decades, but they are better than the cheapest micro motors today.

Ring motors are the best, but they are more expensive and don't always work with the lens design. They are the fastest, quietest, and support manual AF override.



Aug 17, 2016 at 04:08 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


It looks like AF-P is Nikon's version of the Canon STM.
The AF is better for videos, but not up to the high performance SWM.
I doubt AF-P will be implemented in the top lenses, so there is little to worry about.

EBH



Aug 17, 2016 at 06:47 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


so Nkon can be expected to use AF-P in their lower end (DX) lenses

and will move to all ring motors for most of the better (FF) lenses?



Aug 17, 2016 at 06:48 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


rw11 wrote:
so Nkon can be expected to use AF-P in their lower end (DX) lenses

and will move to all ring motors for most of the better (FF) lenses?


Nikon has been using ring motors in their lenses for over 20 years now. One of the cheapest lenses that has one is the AF-S 70-300VR and also the old 18-70 DX kit lens.





Aug 17, 2016 at 07:15 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


yes, but they don't give them any designation that I know of




Aug 17, 2016 at 07:22 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


rw11 wrote:
yes, but they don't give them any designation that I know of



No manufacturer does. Their micro DC motors are also technically SWM motors, so they all get that designation for marketing purposes. Canon does exactly the same thing with their USM designation.

All the big tele's have ring motors, all the 70-200's have them, the 24-70's have them, etc. Any lens you've used that focused extremely fast most likely has a ring motor.



Aug 17, 2016 at 07:26 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


Very limited body compatibility. Mine cannot AF with D7000, let alone the ancient D70s. Even manual focus is not an option on either body. It seems focus mode can only be changed via a menu in bodies that support it. The body Focus switch doesn't do and the lens itself doesn't have a AF/M switch. It's nice, tiny and has good IQ though. Makes me wish we had such a compact and wider DX prime from Nikon.


Aug 18, 2016 at 01:31 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


apparently the 18-55 af-p is very sharp, especially for a kit lens.
I never knew about these af-p lenses, just read up on them a bit.



Oct 02, 2016 at 06:33 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


rw11 wrote:
so Nkon can be expected to use AF-P in their lower end (DX) lenses

and will move to all ring motors for most of the better (FF) lenses?


That fancy kit lens for the D500 doesn't have the good focus motor. It's not just a cost thing.



Oct 02, 2016 at 08:41 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


Dj R wrote:
apparently the 18-55 af-p is very sharp, especially for a kit lens.
I never knew about these af-p lenses, just read up on them a bit.

The optical design is shared across several iterations: 18-55 VR, 18-55 VR II (collapsible barrel), and now 18-55 AF-P. I find it an outstanding performer for $100 (factory refurb), and is easy to carry.



Oct 02, 2016 at 10:20 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


just got a new one for around $85 at ritz camera on ebay.
I don't own a dx body
but nikon NPS is loaning me a D500 for a couple weeks
I want to check out video with a new af-p lens, apparently it's super quiet when focusing.



Oct 03, 2016 at 09:57 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


Dj R wrote:
just got a new one for around $85 at ritz camera on ebay.
I don't own a dx body
but nikon NPS is loaning me a D500 for a couple weeks

18-55 almost covers FF, but D500 also works. Remember to post some results from this fine piece of plastics—I love mine. With D7100:






Edited on Oct 14, 2016 at 07:36 PM · View previous versions



Oct 14, 2016 at 06:43 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


I have it here now
and I own a d500 now
but I'm not going to open the lens up and use it, returning it.
got a vr in the same lens, on the way.
didn't realize they had a vr version.



Oct 14, 2016 at 12:47 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Any Downsides to AF-P lenses?


@rw11 @rico
hooked up the vr 18-55 afp to my d500 today for the first time.
it is FREAKISHLY sharp at least on my screen
dead quiet for video

the new kit VR glass do not have VR buttons, you're supposed to have control of that in the body now.
I found in MOVIE SHOOTING MENU: electronic VR, on/off

in D shooting/display
d10, optical VR on/off



Oct 17, 2016 at 11:37 AM





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