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popinvasion wrote:
Why not? Who's to say?


Anything is possible, but I highly doubt it. Judging by the sample shots it doesn't look as sharp for one thing, another the focal length for portraits is better at 200 IMO, Bokeh is probably going to be pretty close. I have not seen any AF lens on a Nikon look as good as the 200 F2, I doubt the release of this lens will change that.



Jul 28, 2016 at 06:12 AM
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Well, my 400mm f2.8 E FL + 1.7x is great to generate creamy backgrounds, but I wouldn't think of comparing it to a 105mm.

Cheers,
Bernard



Jul 28, 2016 at 06:22 AM
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Diallo_Jamal wrote:
Someone feel free to chime in if I have it wrong, but if you are using the strobes to over power ambient light and as the primary source of illumination, then it is possible to freeze action via the flash. F64 iso100 1/50th as an example. If you were using the strobes as fill flash to balance the ambient then you would still incur motion blur. F4 iso 1600 1/50th. While the sensor would be exposed and gathering light for 1/50 the flashes duration would be substantially shorter, and the flash duration would act as your effective shutter speed rather
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For still subject:
The blur is caused by your hands and shutter. Shoot with 36MP camera, you can easily see blur at pixel level (100 % magnification) when shutter speed under 1/100 in most cases for most people. Let's assume you can achieve sharp result at least 1/100 with your handheld skill.
Your subject require F1.4 1/50 to get correct exposure, no matter how do you sync your flash, you can't get sharp image with handheld.




Jul 28, 2016 at 06:36 AM
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bernardl wrote:
Well, my 400mm f2.8 E FL + 1.7x is great to generate creamy backgrounds, but I wouldn't think of comparing it to a 105mm.

Cheers,
Bernard


True. The perspective and compression totally different. So the bokeh must be different between 100 f1.4 and 200 f2. Based on sample image, the 100 F1.4 bokeh is awesome like 200 f2, but they look different for sure.

I like my 400 FL as well, but you have to stay away at least 35m to shoot full portrait....



Jul 28, 2016 at 06:40 AM
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F1Addict wrote:
Maybe it's been a long day at work, and my brain isn't working right now, but I also don't understand what you mean by this last part. Why wouldn't 1/50 show motion blur?


Actually, you can even go lower and still get a sharp subject. Any flash will freeze your subject.
But if your subject moves, say at 1/30 of a sec, you will still get a sharp image but there will be a ghost-like subject.

Look at the image below. It was shot at 1/60 of a sec but still looks sharp simply because flash was used; it will freeze your subject.





  NIKON D810    105mm    f/1.4    1/60s    1600 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jul 28, 2016 at 09:06 AM
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I placed an order with my local store. I am not holding my breath for Sigma 85/1.4 though. As much as I like Sigma Art 24/1.4 for landscape and eventually may get 20/1.4 also for landscape, I never find Sigma's rendering all that special for portrait beside being super sharp. Give me 58/1.4 over Sigma 50/1.4 Art any day. The new Sony 50/1.4, 85/1.4 GM and Zeiss 135/2 appear to find the right formula for sharpness and rendering. I think that Nikon 105/1.4 will be able to achieve the same.


Jul 28, 2016 at 09:20 AM
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dreamplayer wrote:
For still subject:
The blur is caused by your hands and shutter. Shoot with 36MP camera, you can easily see blur at pixel level (100 % magnification) when shutter speed under 1/100 in most cases for most people. Let's assume you can achieve sharp result at least 1/100 with your handheld skill.
Your subject require F1.4 1/50 to get correct exposure, no matter how do you sync your flash, you can't get sharp image with handheld.



But with the flash as the dominant source of lighting F64 iso100 example the vast majority of the light hitting the sensor would be supplied by the flash. The longest duration of the SB700 (first flash duration guide I could find online) is 1/1042 (T.5) at full power. which suggests a 1/~400 (T.05) effective duration for stopping action. If you are battling against ambient light for exposure then I agree whatever rule of SS to FL convention you use should rule but I think of it as setting a camera up in a dark room with a 30 second exposure and firing a strobe by hand. You can move all you like when the strobe isn't firing because nothing is contributing to the exposure.



Jul 28, 2016 at 09:33 AM
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Elijah wrote:
Nikon laughs at you


I was thinking that Nikon could sell 105/1.4 lens to heavy pros like you @ over $2000 and also make 1.8G version of 135 and sell it under $1000 to hobbyists like me.

Something similar to 85/1.4 and 85/1.8G price-wise.

135/1.8G would be cheapo plasticky like all the rest of 1.8G family 20/28/35/50/85. I don't see why that would not be doable.
Canon sells 135/f2 under $1000, why Nikon cannot?



Jul 28, 2016 at 01:17 PM
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milkod2001 wrote:
I was thinking that Nikon could sell 105/1.4 lens to heavy pros like you @ over $2000 and also make 1.8G version of 135 and sell it under $1000 to hobbyists like me.

Something similar to 85/1.4 and 85/1.8G price-wise.

135/1.8G would be cheapo plasticky like all the rest of 1.8G family 20/28/35/50/85. I don't see why that would not be doable.
Canon sells 135/f2 under $1000, why Nikon cannot?


By no means I'm a pro! I shoot as a hobby with an occasional wedding here and there.
I sure would love a 135E as well but I don't see myself getting one, since I'll have a 58G/105E/200G set.



Jul 28, 2016 at 01:35 PM
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milkod2001 wrote:
I was thinking that Nikon could sell 105/1.4 lens to heavy pros like you @ over $2000 and also make 1.8G version of 135 and sell it under $1000 to hobbyists like me.

Something similar to 85/1.4 and 85/1.8G price-wise.

135/1.8G would be cheapo plasticky like all the rest of 1.8G family 20/28/35/50/85. I don't see why that would not be doable.
Canon sells 135/f2 under $1000, why Nikon cannot?



The Canon 135L is twenty years old and has no VR. It's a great lens, the one I miss the most since I went back to Nikon. It's due for a refresh and will be priced well above $1000 when it comes out.
The 135 1.8G will most likely have VR, something the new 105 lacks. I'm guessing it will be a few hundred less than the 105.
And I own the 50 and 85 1.8 G's and they are not "cheapo plasticky" by any means.



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EB-1 wrote:
$2200 seems like a reasonable intro price. It's not ever going to be a high volume lens.

EBH


Especially if it really is a top notch optical performer. Heck I bought a refurbed 135/2 APO Zeiss in F mount for $1800 which is a lens that is definitely a top optical performer. I will likely never buy this lens, but $2200 seems like it's potentially a reasonable price.



Jul 28, 2016 at 03:05 PM
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Elijah wrote:
Actually, you can even go lower and still get a sharp subject. Any flash will freeze your subject.
But if your subject moves, say at 1/30 of a sec, you will still get a sharp image but there will be a ghost-like subject.

Look at the image below. It was shot at 1/60 of a sec but still looks sharp simply because flash was used; it will freeze your subject.


Thanks Elijah! I've dabbled a little bit with OCF, but obviously I need more practice with it.

I really like what I see with the 105mm 1.4. Might be a good Christmas present for myself.



Jul 28, 2016 at 03:11 PM
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'Highly desirable' is the word. But no one has mentioned focusing speed, and it seems clear to me this was meant for portraits and landscapes more so than fast action. Unless it turns out otherwise, for what I shoot I won't likely be getting this - happy enough with my 85 1.4D. Perhaps the 135 if it ever materializes... we can hope.


Jul 28, 2016 at 03:44 PM
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SAng wrote:
'Highly desirable' is the word. But no one has mentioned focusing speed, and it seems clear to me this was meant for portraits and landscapes more so than fast action. Unless it turns out otherwise, for what I shoot I won't likely be getting this - happy enough with my 85 1.4D. Perhaps the 135 if it ever materializes... we can hope.


Quote from Nikon:

"Meet the new standard by which all short telephoto lenses will be measured against, the world's first* full-frame 105mm with an f/1.4 aperture.
A marvel of optical precision, distortion correction and craftsmanship.
It's fast maximum aperture make this an ideal optic for available lightórecommended for portraiture or indoor sports.
This short telephoto lens can defocus backgrounds with painterly finesse and isolate subjects with three-dimensional fidelity.
For those seeking the ultimate in image quality in photography or videography, there's no close second."

Based on the quote above, I'm assuming focus speed is fast.
Perhaps faster than the 58mm f/1.4G and 85mm f/1.4G.



Jul 28, 2016 at 03:48 PM
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Elijah wrote:
Based on the quote above, I'm assuming focus speed is fast.
Perhaps faster than the 58mm f/1.4G and 85mm f/1.4G.


Thanks Elijah, that does perk me up. I shoot trampoline in some pretty dark gyms (e.g. 1/1000s, f2, ISO9000). If this turns out to be fast focusing it just might make an ideal combo with the 200 2 with dual bodies, as opposed to the 70-200 VR2.




Jul 28, 2016 at 04:02 PM
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Nice to see Nikon coming out with some new glass, they still lack a 135mm lens though.

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Jul 28, 2016 at 04:28 PM
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Fotografpaul wrote:
Nice to see Nikon is coming out with some new glass, they still lack a 135mm lens though.


If you don't mind using manual focus, the Carl Zeiss 135mm F/2 APO is a fantastic Lens!!! You really don't need auto focus too much for portrait work anyway since your subject is usually sitting still or standing still, even with auto focus I still like to manually focus with live view just to make sure everything is crisp and sharp where I want it to be because autofocus sometimes doesn't nail the area that I want in focus, mainly the eyes.



Jul 28, 2016 at 04:34 PM
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Some full sized images from Nikon USA to pixel peep. The subjects aren't the most demanding ones, and only two are at low enough ISO to tell the technical quailty of lens, but the lens looks very promising. There's slight bokeh fringing, but it looks well-controlled and nowhere as wild as say the 58G's. Also, the D5's ISO3200 performance is astonishing compared to the D810's 1600 performance (which also missed focus).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/petapixel/sets/72157668716365503



Jul 28, 2016 at 04:37 PM
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Todd wrote:
If you don't mind using manual focus, the Carl Zeiss 135mm F/2 APO is a fantastic Lens!!! You really don't need auto focus too much for portrait work anyway since your subject is usually sitting still or standing still, even with auto focus I still like to manually focus with live view just to make sure everything is crisp and sharp where I want it to be because autofocus sometimes doesn't nail the area that I want in focus, mainly the eyes.


I said Nikon, i know of the 135mm and the ZF line.. your preaching to the choir.



My most used lenses when i shot Nikon.









Jul 28, 2016 at 04:39 PM
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Todd wrote:
If you don't mind using manual focus, the Carl Zeiss 135mm F/2 APO is a fantastic Lens!!! You really don't need auto focus too much for portrait work anyway since your subject is usually sitting still or standing still, even with auto focus I still like to manually focus with live view just to make sure everything is crisp and sharp where I want it to be because autofocus sometimes doesn't nail the area that I want in focus, mainly the eyes.


You must not do many photoshoots of families with young children.

On the pre-order list but will have to decide between the 200mm F2 and this one. Can't keep both.



Jul 28, 2016 at 05:06 PM
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