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I just returned from a 10 day trip to Europe. Before I left I knew I had a big hole in coverage between my 17-40 and my 70-200. The only thing I have between was my Nifty Fifty.

I decided to rent a 24-70 f4 IS L from Lensrentals. I debated renting it or the 24-70 f2.8. I decided on the f4 since it is smaller, lighter and has IS.

It turned out to be a great choice. The lens stayed on my 5D2 90% of the time. I had read good things about the IS. I took some photos with the shutter speed as low as 1/2 sec @24mm. I didn't expect much, but when I got home and examined the images, almost all were tack sharp at 100% magnification! Photos taken at more reasonable settings were equally impressive at all f stops including wide open.

I was so impressed that I decided to buy this lens instead of returning it. It looks brand new and the selling price was fair. Jon and the rest of the Lensrentals crew were very helpful. I recommend them wholeheartedly.



Jul 26, 2016 at 02:13 PM
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I just made a similar decision between getting a f/2.8 variant or the f/4 IS and decided the lighter weight, IS and macro mode were all things I wanted. I've only had mine for a few days but so far so good.

Glad to hear about LensRentals.com. Haven't had a chance to rent from them yet but it's in the cards for the future.



Jul 26, 2016 at 02:44 PM
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Yes, for travel stuff, the loss of one stop does not seem to be that great of a deal. Plus with the modern IS systems you can gain as much as 4 stops of hand-holdability, which proves extremely useful in museums or other places that does not allow tripods.

I've been sort of thinking about replacing my aging 24-70 f2.8 L with the f4 IS version. Glad it worked for you.



Jul 26, 2016 at 02:58 PM
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See here for an example of the lens.


Jul 26, 2016 at 03:17 PM
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77mm filters are a bonus too!


Jul 26, 2016 at 05:50 PM
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HS-LD wrote:
77mm filters are a bonus too!

Yep, my three zooms all take 77mm. That's great for polarizers, etc.



Jul 26, 2016 at 05:57 PM
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dmacmillan wrote:
I just returned from a 10 day trip to Europe. Before I left I knew I had a big hole in coverage between my 17-40 and my 70-200. The only thing I have between was my Nifty Fifty.

I decided to rent a 24-70 f4 IS L from Lensrentals. I debated renting it or the 24-70 f2.8. I decided on the f4 since it is smaller, lighter and has IS.

It turned out to be a great choice. The lens stayed on my 5D2 90% of the time. I had read good things about the IS. I took some photos with the
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Done the same, though not with that particular lens.

EBH



Jul 26, 2016 at 07:46 PM
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dmacmillan wrote:
I was so impressed that I decided to buy this lens instead of returning it. It looks brand new and the selling price was fair. Jon and the rest of the Lensrentals crew were very helpful. I recommend them wholeheartedly.


Heartily seconded (even if I haven't rented from them for a while now)



Jul 26, 2016 at 07:58 PM
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Sharpness wise, how does it compare to the 24-70 MKII?


Jul 26, 2016 at 08:04 PM
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I love my 24-70 F4. Most used lens by far. While I loved my old 24-70 2.8, this just feels better to me.
And I also had a positive experience with lensrentals as well. Everything went smooth and an overall positive experience. I'll definitely rent something again if the need arises. I rented the 100-400 II and loved it. Time to start saving.



Jul 26, 2016 at 10:18 PM
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Etherton wrote:
Sharpness wise, how does it compare to the 24-70 MKII?

I don't have a point of comparison, but from what I've read, it holds its own. Also from what I've read the 2.8 MKII is about as sharp as it gets, comparable to the best primes.



Jul 27, 2016 at 06:17 AM
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dmacmillan wrote:
I don't have a point of comparison, but from what I've read, it holds its own. Also from what I've read the 2.8 MKII is about as sharp as it gets, comparable to the best primes.


What is in focus is very sharp. It's been a source of disappointment and frustration for me, especially as a follow-on to the original 24-70/2.8. I have two of the original and one of the II, but mainly use the f/4 IS. I'd love to abandon all the 24-70s and replace with the a 24-105 II. the 16-35/4 IS shows than a slower lens can be very good. We don't have to wait too long now.

EBH

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Jul 27, 2016 at 06:27 AM
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It's really a great lens. I went through 2 copies of the 24-105 but was not impressed. The 24-70 f/4 on the other hand is better in every way except, of course, it is 35mm shorter at the tele end.

Now, if Canon can produce a 24-105 II that matches the IQ and close focus distance of the 24-70 f/4 (and does not add too much more weight and bulk), I am listening



Jul 27, 2016 at 07:18 AM
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howard wrote:
It's really a great lens. I went through 2 copies of the 24-105 but was not impressed. The 24-70 f/4 on the other hand is better in every way except, of course, it is 35mm shorter at the tele end.

Now, if Canon can produce a 24-105 II that matches the IQ and close focus distance of the 24-70 f/4 (and does not add too much more weight and bulk), I am listening


Unfortunately if they really do launch a new 24-105mm mk2 then your (and my) 24-70mm f/4 will be suddenly devalued somewhat...



Jul 27, 2016 at 09:09 AM
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I got a very well worn one from lensauthority and it is glued to my camera in landscape/wilderness/travel situations. It is sharp at f4 and razor at f5.6. I had to micro adjust mine slightly at 70mm and now it is sharp as a tack.


Jul 27, 2016 at 09:48 AM
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15Bit wrote:
Unfortunately if they really do launch a new 24-105mm mk2 then your (and my) 24-70mm f/4 will be suddenly devalued somewhat...


I imagine that somewhere in some perhaps mythical universe a stunning new 24-105 f/4.0 will appear According to all the expert rumor mongers this 2nd coming is nigh. I haven't a clue. Still supposing if (when) this event happens, I can't see how it would devalue your apparently excellent 24-70. (I'll also confidently predict that the reincarnation of the 105 will be more expensive than the current 24-70 f/4.0 and 24-105 f/4.0), if only because the marketing droids would go nuts about not charging more for more and the sales of the new 105 will destroy the older 70.

The two lenses don't have the exact same use, though of course there is much overlap. I've been thinking about that 30mm and have been doing a bit of "scientific" experimentation. My only way to do this (I don't have a 105) was to put my current 24-70 and my 70-200 (both f/2.8) successively on a tripod pointed at an object 40' away. The 24-70 was at max focal length while I limited the 70-200 to 105 (or as close as I could get it). Took 3 shots with both.

Looking at the pix it's easy to see that 105 resolves to more magnified image compared to the 70. (If it didn't I'd be out applying for a Nobel in physics The cost of the "reach" is, of course, a loss in field of view. Curious (yes, I get in a lot of trouble),I returned to the "test site" to determine how far back I'd have to go to get a similar reach to the 105. Seems to be 2-3 steps.

Examining these pix with the original 105 ones, I'll round it up and say it is a 3 "step" difference to get the same field of view. Of course, the 105 still has a theoretical improvement in detail as it is designed to do so.

I compared the snaps from both lenses blown up to 100% and frankly the difference in detail was very hard to see. The one uncontrolled variable in this experiment is that the 70-200 is Canon's latest version and there's no doubt that its optics are superior to the venerable 24-70 whose origins are nearly lost in the mists of time.

So my guess? All things being equal (which of course they never are): price, IQ, weight, handling, etc., then the "new" 24-105 f/4.0 would definitely devalue the new 24-70 f/4.0. Call me a cynic, but I find it hard to believe that Canon would market a "new improved" version of a lens that would cannibalize sales of a slightly earlier "new and improved" one with very similar capabilities.

Robert

(To those who are wondering why/how this dude had so much time to waste on a trivial experiment, let's just say at 107°F I'm not doing any carpentry, and I made sure I was in the shade.



Jul 27, 2016 at 10:56 AM
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OntheRez wrote:
I imagine that somewhere in some perhaps mythical universe a stunning new 24-105 f/4.0 will appear According to all the expert rumor mongers this 2nd coming is nigh. I haven't a clue. Still supposing if (when) this event happens, I can't see how it would devalue your apparently excellent 24-70. (I'll also confidently predict that the reincarnation of the 105 will be more expensive than the current 24-70 f/4.0 and 24-105 f/4.0), if only because the marketing droids would go nuts about not charging more for more and the sales of the new 105 will destroy the older 70.

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Let's dispose of the notion of "cannibalization", shall we?

There are plenty of examples of overlapping of focal lengths and features in any manufacturers' lineups, and plenty more of newer, better versions replacing old ones.



Jul 27, 2016 at 11:26 AM
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howard wrote:
There are plenty of examples of overlapping of focal lengths and features in any manufacturers' lineups, and plenty more of newer, better versions replacing old ones.

True, but there is no sensible argument to be made that a 24-70 and a 24-105 can coexist as lenses with "overlapping focal lengths". If it comes, the 24-105mm f/4 will be a straight replacement for the 24-70mm f/4. I would also hazard a guess that it will be of extremely similar design, as Canon will want to re-use as much of the earlier lens design as they can to keep down development costs. I wonder if they have even recouped the 24-70mm f/4 dev costs yet, as it has only been on the market 3 years.



Jul 27, 2016 at 02:10 PM
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15Bit wrote:
True, but there is no sensible argument to be made that a 24-70 and a 24-105 can coexist as lenses with "overlapping focal lengths". If it comes, the 24-105mm f/4 will be a straight replacement for the 24-70mm f/4. I would also hazard a guess that it will be of extremely similar design, as Canon will want to re-use as much of the earlier lens design as they can to keep down development costs. I wonder if they have even recouped the 24-70mm f/4 dev costs yet, as it has only been on the market 3 years.


Cost, size, (possibly) macro capability.

In the consumer grade lens lineup, there are plenty similar lenses: the 17/18-55/85, or the 55/70/75-250/300, granted, L lenses are fewer and better justified, but that does mean overlapping does not exist.



Jul 27, 2016 at 02:23 PM
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howard wrote:
Cost, size, (possibly) macro capability.

In the consumer grade lens lineup, there are plenty similar lenses: the 17/18-55/85, or the 55/70/75-250/300, granted, L lenses are fewer and better justified, but that does mean overlapping does not exist.


At the consumer end there are certainly examples, yes. Mostly such overlap exists due to varying image and build quality, or overlapping EF and EF-S lines. Where older lenses are superceded the older is generally either downgraded and downpriced or simply retired.

I can't think of any L lenses which have such a high level of overlap though, nor any which had such a short life before being superceded. I'm not saying that a 24-105mm f/4 isn't coming, just that it would be very unusual if it is.



Jul 27, 2016 at 02:35 PM
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