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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Crop Vs F/X Lenses?


F/X bodies are superior to crop in most areas but can the same thing be said with lenses? The reason I'm asking is that I'm in need of updating by bodies. I have a couple of D800's and thinking of replacing them with D500's. If I were to do that then, I'm thinking of getting rid of a few of my F/X lenses to fund for the Sigma18-35 and 50-150 1.8's. I mostly shoot family session and events. Am I thinking right here or am I insane to go back to crop and get rid some of my f/x lenses for crop?


Jun 17, 2016 at 06:41 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Crop Vs F/X Lenses?


D7200 and D500 right now. just on a relative short hiatus from FX till the update a few things in the line (move away from CF and such)

lenses used:
DX
-Tokina 11-20/2.8 (16-35 FX equiv)*
-Sigma 17-70/2.8-4 (25-105 FX equiv)**
-Nikon 16-80/2.8-4 (24-120 FX equiv)* ***

FX
-Nikon 24-120/4 (36-180/4 DX)
-Nikon 70-200/2.8 (105-300/2.8 DX)*
-Sigma 120-300/2.8 S (180-450/2.8 DX)

*travel kit and most used lenses
** now my daughters on her D7000
*** most used lens




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Jun 17, 2016 at 08:15 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Crop Vs F/X Lenses?


What do you find lacking in the D800? Seems like a pretty great camera for family sessions and events to me.


Jun 17, 2016 at 09:31 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Crop Vs F/X Lenses?


Woodyg3 wrote:
What do you find lacking in the D800? Seems like a pretty great camera for family sessions and events to me.


AF in lowlight when I shoot events is really horrendous especially the corners.



Jun 17, 2016 at 10:04 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Crop Vs F/X Lenses?


Before you get too hung up on what the Northrups say, physics indicates that FF lens should perform better on DX versus FF cameras because the DX sensor will be utilizing the sweet spot of the lens. If you shoot DX there is no need to even speak of FF vs. DX lens terminology unless it is about a 17-55 f/2.8 which was specifically intended to convert a very popular nikkor wedding lens for use by DX shooters without them having to skip a beat. FF shooters obviously need to avoid DX lens unless they like dark corners.


Jun 17, 2016 at 12:04 PM
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ocir wrote:
AF in lowlight when I shoot events is really horrendous especially the corners.


Keep in mind that the D500 has no AF assist light.



Jun 17, 2016 at 12:58 PM
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keep in mind it really doesn't need one either. mine is/was turned off on all cameras that have/had it. it can "get in the way" of shots


Jun 17, 2016 at 01:02 PM
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The Sigma f/1.8 lens is 50mm to 100mm and not 150mm. Big difference. For event photography with a crop camera I would need 17mm at the wide end and 55mm at the long end which provides the field of view of a 24-70mm lens on a full frame camera.

For DX one would be needing the 10-24mm f/3.5 lens which is a good lens but not in the same league as the FX lenses (18-35mm, 14-24mm, 16-35mm). The 17-55mm is an OK lens but not nearly as good as the average 24-70mm lens.

For events my favorite setup has been a FX camera with the 14-24mm f/2.8 and 24-70mm f/2.8 and a telephoto zoom on the DX camera (Sigma 50-150mm f/2.8 or the Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8). Best of both the FX and DX worlds with this approach.

The D500 is an excellent camera but provides no benefits over the D7200 for event photography and one loses the dual SD card slots so one needs to carry around 2 different sets of memory cards - hardly ideal.



Jun 17, 2016 at 03:12 PM
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I would compare sharpness and noise at higher ISO. The difference Ayla higher iso's (3200 and up) is where I really notice the difference between my D8xx bodies and the D7xxx bodies. I don't have a D500 so I can't say in regards to that, but according to what I have been reading the D500 is only slightly better then the D7200 at high ISO.

The lenses can be a wash, though overall there seems to be more very good lenses available for FX, as Compared to the DX. But that's not to say there are not good lenses for DX, there is.

So for me, the choice would come down more towards high ISO performance then lenses available. Maybe rent a D500 and shoot it side by side with the D800. Use the same lens on both cameras and just see for yourself how they both compare at high ISO. Just guessing at this point, but I would think the noise and sharpness would be better with the D800, but it would be interesting to see.

Jim



Jun 17, 2016 at 05:33 PM
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I think fx lenses are better than dx lenses, I don't think too many would argue that. The thing is though, dx lenses are in fact catching up in my opinion. The sigma art series is especially noteworthy. I feel that trend will continue too. I look at what I'd get if I went fx, maybe a 1 or two percent improvement for my work, then I look at how much more I'd spend, which it would probably cost me four times the amount to get what I needed in fx. It's really and easy choice at that point.


Jun 17, 2016 at 06:02 PM
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elkhornsun wrote:
The Sigma f/1.8 lens is 50mm to 100mm and not 150mm. Big difference. For event photography with a crop camera I would need 17mm at the wide end and 55mm at the long end which provides the field of view of a 24-70mm lens on a full frame camera.

For DX one would be needing the 10-24mm f/3.5 lens which is a good lens but not in the same league as the FX lenses (18-35mm, 14-24mm, 16-35mm). The 17-55mm is an OK lens but not nearly as good as the average 24-70mm lens.

For events my favorite setup has been
...Show more

a lot of assumptions made
the Tokina 11-20/2.8 is really good
the Nikon 16-80/2.8-4 and the Sigma 17-70/2.8-4 are darned good
after that the 70-200/2.8 takes over.

as to the benefits of the D500 over the D7200 would pretty much depend on the "event" now wouldn't it?
I agree to the hardly ideal slots but then I rarely get to the overflow one. I have predetermined targets and the rest is secondary. 1300+ shots for me is more then enough for those special occasions. if I really want instant jpg I can do that too. its hopefully methodology over mayhem shooting. and yes I am fully capable/willing to change out cards

with the D500 you can push to 16000 if you are careful and have the proper tools for post.

a heavily stomped on low res raw shot.








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Jun 17, 2016 at 06:27 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Crop Vs F/X Lenses?


Wow, at ISO 16000 that's impressive. I'm scared to shoot beyond ISO on my D800 and the only reason why I shoot ISO 6400 is because I have Topaz DeNoise which does a remarkable in cleaning up noise.

Is it a challenge shooting in lowlight especially the corners?

sjms wrote:
a lot of assumptions made
the Tokina 11-20/2.8 is really good
the Nikon 16-80/2.8-r and the Sigma 17-70/2.8-7 are darned good
after that the 70-200/2.8 takes over.

as to the benefits of the D500 over the D7200 would pretty much depend on the "event" now wouldn't it?
I agree to the hardly ideal slots but then I rarely get to the overflow one. I have predetermined targets and the rest is secondary. 1300+ shots for me is more then enough for those special occasions. if I really want instant jpg I can do that too. its hopefully methodology over mayhem shooting. and yes I am
...Show more




Jun 17, 2016 at 07:58 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Crop Vs F/X Lenses?


Lol. The irony is, the D500 doesn't need no stinkin' AF assist. It focuses in near darkness as long as there's some contrast.

Woodyg3 wrote:
Keep in mind that the D500 has no AF assist light.




Jun 17, 2016 at 08:01 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Crop Vs F/X Lenses?


Off or on on my D800...I don't see much of a difference in lowlight. The D800 really sucks big time focusing in lowlight.

Woodyg3 wrote:
Keep in mind that the D500 has no AF assist light.





Jun 17, 2016 at 08:12 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Crop Vs F/X Lenses?


ocir wrote:
Wow, at ISO 16000 that's impressive. I'm scared to shoot beyond ISO on my D800 and the only reason why I shoot ISO 6400 is because I have Topaz DeNoise which does a remarkable in cleaning up noise.

Is it a challenge shooting in lowlight especially the corners?



as far as the corners I really haven't had issues. I travel and shoot in a lot of places so I experiment to see just what I can get away with using a particular camera. last trip was such that the D7200 was my choice. not in a hurry to shoot at any time. i'm an observer/recorder/archiver not an artist.





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Jun 18, 2016 at 08:26 AM





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