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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Lens in-between 70-300IS and 70-300L?


Some time ago I launched a thread about getting a really long zoom to shoot rugby

Many sensibly suggested the Sigma 150-600 would be too long and after trying one they were right, the right zoom length for me is 70-300 I have found (on a 7D usually)

I'm not getting paid for this so I can't justify buying the L lens so is there one that is better than my 70-300IS (particularly at the long end) but not as expensive as the 70-300L that would do a better job?



Apr 30, 2016 at 03:38 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Lens in-between 70-300IS and 70-300L?


Tamron 70-300/4-5.6 VC USD.
Excellent image quality even at 300mm (but beware the heat shimmer / haze - in my experience these really limit the outdoor shooting at longer distances). It has its slight mechanical shortcomings (no weather sealing, zoom lock or focus limiter, the rings rotate the Nikon way - see for yourself how much these matter to you) but for the price, I can't (and won't) complain. It doesn't have the obvious "cut corners" like the Canon 70-300 non-L (rotating front barrel, precipitous drop in image quality towards the long end...) Indoors, it's fantastic.



Apr 30, 2016 at 03:59 AM
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Snopchenko wrote:
Tamron 70-300/4-5.6 VC USD.
Excellent image quality even at 300mm (but beware the heat shimmer / haze - in my experience these really limit the outdoor shooting at longer distances). It has its slight mechanical shortcomings (no weather sealing, zoom lock or focus limiter, the rings rotate the Nikon way - see for yourself how much these matter to you) but for the price, I can't (and won't) complain. It doesn't have the obvious "cut corners" like the Canon 70-300 non-L (rotating front barrel, precipitous drop in image quality towards the long end...) Indoors, it's fantastic.


Thanks, heat haze not much of an issue in England! Maybe three days a year!



Apr 30, 2016 at 05:37 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Lens in-between 70-300IS and 70-300L?


dhphoto wrote:
Thanks, heat haze not much of an issue in England! Maybe three days a year!


You wouldn't expect much of that on a late March day at 60° latitude, and yet, I saw plenty of haze (not necessarily thermally induced) when shooting at the railroad a month ago, came closer to the subject and suddenly everything became fine. Prior to getting this lens (it was my first one to go beyond 210mm) I never expected that problem to be so prominent, not at 200-300mm at least (Bryan Carnathan does cover that a bit in his review of the Tamron 150-600mm, but that's a different beast altogether).



Apr 30, 2016 at 05:45 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Lens in-between 70-300IS and 70-300L?


I have ordered one from Amazon (because of their excellent return policy). I'm concerned it won't be a lot better at 300mm but I will test it.

Thanks



Apr 30, 2016 at 06:03 AM
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dhphoto wrote:
I have ordered one from Amazon (because of their excellent return policy). I'm concerned it won't be a lot better at 300mm but I will test it.

Thanks

Obviously I can't comment on the possible sample variations - and you may have a different quality benchmark - but I liked how the lens performed at or near 300mm, including wide open (the Photozone reviews also marks the comparatively punchy contrast at that focal length, something that most lenses in this class and price range couldn't boast). Here's an example (300mm f/5.6, indoors).
http://pp.vk.me/c629401/v629401358/355e8/InmuikJ7GQs.jpg



Apr 30, 2016 at 07:00 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Lens in-between 70-300IS and 70-300L?


That looks pretty good.

My standards are pretty high, but I'm quite prepared to put in the work in PP if need be too.

I already have a 70-200 f4 IS, a 70-300IS and a 55-250STM and they all have their strengths.

The f4 IS is just fantastic but not long enough (I thought about an extender but decided a lens would be a better option). The 70-300IS is really very good from 70 to about 190mm but after that it's poor and the 55-250STM is pretty sharp but again a bit short and too much of a toy with it's odd focusing system, very good travel lens though.

The lens should be here tomorrow and I will test and give my results, thanks



Apr 30, 2016 at 07:39 AM
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I tried the Tamron 70-300 on my Nikon D750, and it was a very nice lens and plenty sharp wide open throughout the range. When you factor in the price, it is an incredible value. Ultimately, I decided to go for the Tamron 70-200 VC, which is also fantastic.


Apr 30, 2016 at 08:11 AM
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jrscls wrote:
I tried the Tamron 70-300 on my Nikon D750, and it was a very nice lens and plenty sharp wide open throughout the range. When you factor in the price, it is an incredible value. Ultimately, I decided to go for the Tamron 70-200 VC, which is also fantastic.


That's good to hear.

I have a 70-200 F4 IS which I use professionally and is so sharp, but it's just not long enough for rugby IMHO.



Apr 30, 2016 at 08:55 AM
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I don't know what camera you're using but I have the 70-300 IS and with the Canon lens correction in the newer bodies the lens does surprisingly well. I almost never use it but I'm keeping it for when I'll want a longer lens but need to pack light. Of coarse you need to make sure that the profile is loaded into your camera.


Apr 30, 2016 at 09:39 AM
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Greg M wrote:
I don't know what camera you're using but I have the 70-300 IS and with the Canon lens correction in the newer bodies the lens does surprisingly well. I almost never use it but I'm keeping it for when I'll want a longer lens but need to pack light. Of coarse you need to make sure that the profile is loaded into your camera.


For rugby I'm using a 7D. The 70-300IS is fine up to about 190mm but soft above that, even with lens profiles hence the thread. I'm hoping the Tamron will be better at the long end



Apr 30, 2016 at 09:50 AM
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I'm talking about Automatic Lens Optimization that I think was first available in the 6D which if I'm right about that isn't available in the original 7D. My 70-300 IS non-L is fairly sharp at 300mm on my 6d. Haven't tried it on the 5DmkIII or 7DmkII but I'm sure it should be the same as the 6D. It's called Lens aberration correction in the menu. This option isn't found in the 7D menu. Loading profiles of older lenses into the camera using Canon's software breathes new life into them. There is a noticeable improvement.


Apr 30, 2016 at 11:11 AM
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I shoot RAW and can use DLO from within DPP, I'm pretty sure it's only jpegs that are affected in-camera

I have found that DLO only really gives the same improvement as a decent sharpen, YMMV



Apr 30, 2016 at 11:37 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Lens in-between 70-300IS and 70-300L?


I'm not sure anything can be done if the lens is soft, profiles or no profiles. I'm sure they can help somewhat with the CA and distortion, but they're not a panacea.
Besides, the Canon 70-300 looks like it has some pretty bad pincushion distortion at the long end...



Apr 30, 2016 at 11:38 AM
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dhphoto wrote:
I shoot RAW and can use DLO from within DPP, I'm pretty sure it's only jpegs that are affected in-camera

I have found that DLO only really gives the same improvement as a decent sharpen, YMMV


DLO is not the same. If your RAW convertor can read the information supplied by the profile that's imbeded in the RAW file then it can be applied to the converted image which DPP can. I use C1 for RAW files and it works.

Snopchenko wrote:
I'm not sure anything can be done if the lens is soft, profiles or no profiles. I'm sure they can help somewhat with the CA and distortion, but they're not a panacea.
Besides, the Canon 70-300 looks like it has some pretty bad pincushion distortion at the long end...


It's your choice to believe or not. Canon's lens profiles make a difference and my 70-300 IS on my 6D looks good at 300mm wide open. Is it the same as my 70-200 mkII? Of coarse not but it still looks good. I've had the 70-300 before on older bodies and it was always soft beyond 200 but I was shocked when I tried it on my 6D with the profile loaded. I shoot RAW and convert in C1.

When I bought my 1st 6D B&H had a special price on a package that included the 70-300 IS. I figured I'd buy the package and sell the lens. When I got it I decided to see how bad the lens was on a FF camera. I was shocked and decided to keep it for when I want some reach in good light without the weight. These profiles improve a lot of the old lenses.



Apr 30, 2016 at 11:56 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Lens in-between 70-300IS and 70-300L?


As far as I can see this is DLO, I have tried searching Automatic Lens Optimization and all I get is DLO answers.

I have alreeady uploaded the lens data to the 7D and my 70-300IS is still very average at 300mm



Apr 30, 2016 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Lens in-between 70-300IS and 70-300L?


Sigma 100-300/4 ... If you can find one is worth a look. Not quite 70 on the wide end, but true f4 and arguably one of sigmas best before they started going art series.


Apr 30, 2016 at 10:43 PM
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RustyBug wrote:
Sigma 100-300/4 ... If you can find one is worth a look. Not quite 70 on the wide end, but true f4 and arguably one of sigmas best before they started going art series.


Thanks, I considered the Canon 100-400 used but 100mm is too long, even 70mm is a bit long on crop for pitchside



May 01, 2016 at 12:46 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Lens in-between 70-300IS and 70-300L?


wasnt all that impressed with the tamron. It's noticeably weaker at 300, would probably bite the bullet and get the 70-300L


May 01, 2016 at 01:40 AM
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Charlie N wrote:
wasnt all that impressed with the tamron. It's noticeably weaker at 300, would probably bite the bullet and get the 70-300L


I'm going to test the one I've bought but if it's no better than my 70-300IS it's going straight back. It's only the 200-300mm region where the lens I have is weak. Unfortunately that's the bit I need most.



May 01, 2016 at 02:34 AM
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