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Tax refunds coming in, and I had two friends asking me which full frame body to get. They are upgrading from crop. I wanted to share my notes, here, on the www.

I'm not saying I have it all figured out, b/c I don't. But here are my thoughts anyhow.
Apologize for any errors or ego-bursting. If you have any additions, post up and I'll update and credit you.

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If you are in the market for a FF body, and you are new to Nikon, or moving up from a crop, do yourself a favor and go to the local store who stocks these cameras.
And. Play. With. Them.

It's just money, get the most expensive.
NO. They are very different.
Even if the D750 and D810 were the same price, you may choose a D750.
It all depends on what's important to you. and how it feels in your hands.
Do not rely on just reading blogs/forums and looking at pictures.
They are very unique beasts.

With that being said, there are details that the average human should know. I will attempt to highlight them properly below, and will add just a few of my personal opinions below. Cheers!


Cliff Notes:

these are all FF (full frame) bodies

If you're on a budget and/or just diving into DSLR or FF photography, you're considering the D610 & D750.
A clean, gently used D610 could be had for around $950 to $1,000.
A used D750 would be around $1500.
A new D750 will be twice the price of a used D610.


*D610 does everything well enough for portraits, landscape, family stuff, and with the right setup and knowledge, sports. The IQ is fantastic.
If you are on a budget and won't look back, get the D610 - it's super cheap right now!
List Price approx $1296 USD as of April 2016

*D750 better AF. better than the other two at low light. better screen than D610. it's the only one with flip screen or wifi.
The D750 can do anything.
If you have the money, to jump from 610 to 750, but don't print incredibly large images, you can probably skip the D810.
If you shoot JPEG (which you probably don't and shouldn't) and/or you only perform "light" post processing using LR basic sliders, the D750 is probably perfect for you! It's a GREAT all-arounder!
List Price approx $1996 USD as of April 2016

*D810 way too many mega-pickles for the avg person. incredible IQ.
No wifi. No flip screen. Probably best suited for studio work and landscape, but can do anything!
It's the only one to employ 1/8000th shutter speed, which is super fast and helpful if you shoot at f/1.4 1.8 a lot in daylight.
If you prefer RAW and dig deep into post processing, the D810 could be the best tool for you!
It's intended to be the King. Not a subjective thing, it's science.
It doesn't have an anti-aliasing filter over the sensor, while the Nikon D750 and D610 do – this allows the Nikon D810 to create images with greater ultra-fine detail.
List Price approx $2796 USD as of April 2016

The D610 and D750 both have very good IQ, Dynamic Range, and Color Depth. Not just b/c they are FF (full frame), they are both very good cameras. They are no slouches!



Specifics:

D610:
-probably does everything well enough to do the job. And it's so cheap right now!
-it's light. and not huge.
-if you're on a budget, and this is your first FX purchase, go for it.
-dual card slots, both sd


D750:
-a step up. and while it's not exactly cheap, it's considerably < a D810.
-far more innovative/modern than a D610 and has a newer sensor.
-it's light. and not huge.
-if you use BBF (back button focus), you'll have to program the AE-L button to be your AF-on button. same as d610.
-you can program the red video button on the top, to be your ISO button (which is what I've done with the D810 as well). can't do this with the d610.
-not the pro button layout you may be used to if you are coming from a D700/800/810 (@ChrisCourt)
-significantly less $ and weight when compared with 810. It's amazing how much lighter the D750 really is.
-on board wifi, and ability to use the ios app... it's clean, it's simple, it just works.
not a gimmick. you can be on-site on a beach or in the woods, with a client, and literally text them a teaser image in less than 5 minutes. (D810 doesn't have this)
-better in low light -3 for D750 vs -2 ev for D810. low light, this camera is amazing, even at the pixel peeping level
-better at high ISO than the D810 and of course the D610
-shutter sound isn't as special as the d810
-shutter sound is a lot louder!
-1/4000th shutter speed and not 1/8000 like the D810
-iso 100 and not iso 64 like the D810
-dual card slots, both SD
-depth of the grip, the grip itself seems to get much love (especially from @pr4photos)
-better metering system than the D610 and a better AF system than the D810 (@elisha82)
-AF speed and sensitivity: D750 > D810 (@jarek0423)
-far better screen when compared with the D610, 1229k dots (D810 D750) vs. 921k (D610)
-the screen tilts up or down, which is awesome for weddings and shooting kids or pets. you will use it more than you think, even for stills, but especially if you shoot video.
-having a quick U1 and U2 custom settings on the dial is very nice (as @Mr Joe points out)
-because it's lighter, easier to hand hold and get more keepers, than a d810, for an average human.
-flash sync speed 1/200, not as good as the D810
-both the d750 and d810 feature a Multi-CAM 3500 FX sensor, which features 51 autofocus points (d610 has 39), of which 15 are ultra-sensitive cross type (d610 has 9)
-highest FPS of all three bodies
-marginally smaller than d610 141×113×78 mm vs 141×113×82 mm
-you could buy a D750 and 3 nice used 1.8G lenses with the savings (when compared with a D810)


D810:
SEX.
I probably don't need to tell you how good the images are from this camera.
Probably the best DSLR ever made.
-a lot more $, a good bit larger, and a lot heavier, when compared with D750
-you don't realize how much bigger and heavier it is, until they are both there in front of you.
-pro layout for the buttons. including separate AE and AF buttons (@jarek0423)
-AF points spread out slightly more, when compared with D750 (@jarek0423)
-faster buffer than D750, and it's noticeable.
-viewfinder is pentaprism with improved coatings. D750 doesn't have the improved coatings.
-viewfinder eyepiece is larger and has shutter blind, better if you wear glasses! this is really cool and is missed when I shoot with D750/610
-screen dots 1229k, same as D750
-screen cover (don't get one with the D750, which tilts)
-quieter shutter! really noticeable at a wedding!
-1/8000 shutter speed, nice if you shoot at f1.4 during the day
-flash sync speed 1/320 (better than D750, doesn't matter if you never use off camera flash)
-dual card slots, 1 each cf and sd
-same cross points and af points as D750 (good)
-slightly better color depth and IQ than the D750 and of course the D610
-WAY more mega-pickles 36.2 vs 24.3 D750

There are other differences/advantages that I won't get into.
You probably don't need a D810.

All three of these bodies use the same exact battery EN-EL15.


Real Thoughts on the D750 vs D810:

Are you in advertising or commercial photography and need the ability to print at super huge sizes?
The D810, with it's massive 36.2mp may actually be necessary for you.
36 - 24 mp differential is HUGE!
IN REAL LIFE, all those mega-pickles are also useful for cropping images for better composition.
-> so you could shoot with a 50mm, and go home and crop the heck out of your images, to the point it almost looks like you shot with an 85 or even 135, and NOT lose much (if any) IQ, depending on how large you print.

If you had the D750 and the D810, you'll probably grab the D750 more b/c it's lighter, it has the wifi and flip screen, and the IQ is so close. You may miss the 1/8000th and the greater ability to crop images and/or print larger.

If you had the D750 and the D810, and you grab the D810.... you won't be thinking, man, wish I had the D750 on me b/c it has so much better ability in low light, and so much better AF. It's true that the D750 is ever-so-slightly better in those areas, but it's not enough that you would really miss it. You may just miss the flip screen, maybe the wifi, and maybe the lighter body.


Having 2 Good FF Bodies:

If you get paid to shoot events, you need/want two bodies.
D810/D750 will be my combo, once I sell my D610.
However!!! It may be BETTER for me/you if the tools (buttons) were identical. So that you're more comfortable using them, whether it's together (dual wielding) or not.
Looking back, I may have gone D750/D750 if I hadn't purchased the D810 first. But at this stage, I will have two different tools in my bag. I can decide which one is better suited for what I'm doing.


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The D500 is coming out now. And while it does at lot of the same things as the D750, and has excellent IQ, it's not full frame. However, you may want to do some research on the D500.

I hope this helps in some way.

D610 28 1.8G
D750 58 1.4G
D810 85 1.4G
all fit in my timbuk2 bag!






the posse







nothing special, sooc via nikon ios app, when I say sooc, I MEAN sooc with d750







timbuk 2 messenger bag, with their largest camera insert



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Apr 21, 2016 at 12:35 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · D810 D750 D610 for the average human, my silly comparison summary


D750 has a better metering system than the D610 and a better AF system than the D810.
Nice pics btw!



Apr 21, 2016 at 01:26 PM
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One correction, under D750 you mention that D810 doesn't come with onboard flash. You may want to correct that

Nice summary, thanks for doing this, if my friends ask me about the current FX cameras, I may point them at this URL.



Apr 21, 2016 at 01:44 PM
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no comment on the viewfinder differences?


Apr 21, 2016 at 02:03 PM
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Dj R wrote:
If you are in the market for a FF body, and you are new to Nikon, or moving up from a crop, do yourself a favor and go to the local store who stocks these cameras.
And. Play. With. Them.


This. I don't know how many times I have read on social media about "D610, D750, D810, which is better? go!"



Apr 21, 2016 at 02:18 PM
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Elisha82 wrote:
D750 has a better metering system than the D610 and a better AF system than the D810.
Nice pics btw!


thx mate, updated and quoted you.
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sanjayg wrote:
One correction, under D750 you mention that D810 doesn't come with onboard flash. You may want to correct that

Nice summary, thanks for doing this, if my friends ask me about the current FX cameras, I may point them at this URL.


very nice catch mate, I had 5D3 on my brain. cheers

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Vcook wrote:
no comment on the viewfinder differences?


good call!

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2of9 wrote:
This. I don't know how many times I have read on social media about "D610, D750, D810, which is better? go!"


I know! Cheers!




Apr 21, 2016 at 02:26 PM
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no button layout mention? Most people have a preference, I prefer the 810 layout(I have a d800).


Apr 21, 2016 at 02:56 PM
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The viewfinder size is the same on all of them including magnification. The D810 just has the round eyecup with built in blinds.

Also the D750 has a higher resolution screen than the D610.

Vcook wrote:
no comment on the viewfinder differences?




Apr 21, 2016 at 03:14 PM
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Very nice summary. Not knowing much about Nikon bodies, and after selling all of my Canon gear I recently purchased the D750. I like the lighter weight, tilt screen, WiFi, dual SD cards, frame rate, and the price seems reasonable given the feature set. Just seems like a good all rounder.

I also really like the small lightweight f/1.8 primes that compliment the D750 very nicely.



Apr 21, 2016 at 07:59 PM
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U1 and U2 on the dial is really handy on the D750. Also the depth of the grip is perfect for me.

Of course a used D800e is the same price as a used D750, which could complicate your equation.



Apr 21, 2016 at 09:08 PM
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Would appreciate any comments on relative viewfinder experience for fast manual-focus lenses.


Apr 21, 2016 at 09:33 PM
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D610 is hard to beat, honestly.

The only thing that bothers me, and its purely technical, is that shot to shot, even from a tripod, the exposures are slightly different, you can see it on histogram. But like I said its purely technical, if you shoot RAW it does not matter. I shoot hard running pointing dogs, weddings, landscapes, birds, the lot, and I really cant complain, and neither do people looking at my pics

Where the D750 will beat the D610 is focus in lo light, but thats about all. The D750 is just a D610 with mag wheels.

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Apr 22, 2016 at 08:56 AM
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I own the D800 and the D750, and the D750 is the one I pick up for 99% of the work I do. The depth of the grip is amazingly better on the D750, and the file size is perfect. I now only use the D800 for studio, and interior/exterior architectural work. Everything else the D750 is fine - magazine/newspaper/web etc


Apr 22, 2016 at 09:10 AM
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Nice comparison. I second the advice to actually go out and handle all the cameras in your hand.

I had the 800E for a long time, then moved to A7II (which I didn't like) and am now back to Nikon. I was agonizing between the D810 and D750, and settled on the D750. It's light and feels great in the hand. Having said that, and looking back at D800E images in my library, I miss the 36mpix sensor... Miss the pro layout of the 800 series bodies as well.

Couple more observations:
- The D810 has the best shutter sound of any camera I ever shot (x-pro2 is close). It may seem like a small detail, but if you shoot a lot, it matters. Try at your own risk, or you may end up buying one just for this
- Viewfinder: I didn't notice much difference between the D750 and D810 viewfinders, but one thing that is different is the auto-focus points spread - they cover more of the frame on the D810, it's not much, but it's definitely noticeable. That's my #2 annoyance with the D750 (#1 being the 1/4000 max shutter speed).
- Autofocus speed and sensitivity: definitely better on the D750, when I pick up a D810 now, the AF feels slower, no question
- Lack of dedicated AF-on button on the D750. You can remap the AE lock button, but then you loose the AE lock functionality and have to use one of the Fn buttons for that. I love the separate AE and AF buttons on the D800 series

All in all, I hope the D810 gets updated soon to bring some of the D750 specs (new AF, wi-fi, tilt screen) to a pro body... That's going to be a killer camera. Maybe they can even reduce the weight to the D750 area.

D610 is a real bargain these days, but I wouldn't consider it, unless you're really tight on cash.



Apr 22, 2016 at 09:23 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · D810 D750 D610 for the average human, my silly comparison summary


Nothing out of those can even touch D810.

Also, given D810 prices now, I'd not sweat over anything else.

YMMV




Apr 22, 2016 at 09:30 AM
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I do not have SEX with my D810. But to each his own I guess.


Apr 22, 2016 at 09:39 AM
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D810's not IMO the king, and currently Canon's ahead in the megapixels by a rather large margin. D810 has overall more "pro" features (1/8000 shutter speed/pc sync port/etc.) than the D750, but its difficulty with higher ISOs makes it better suited to landscapes and studios than to nightclubs and receptions where the D750 tends to do a better job with cleaner high ISO images and, some might say, better low light AF.


Apr 22, 2016 at 09:59 AM
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jarek0423 wrote:
All in all, I hope the D810 gets updated soon to bring some of the D750 specs (new AF, wi-fi, tilt screen) to a pro body... That's going to be a killer camera. Maybe they can even reduce the weight to the D750 area.


your notes are very good. I'll update and quote you when I have time, to help folks in the future with your insight (and others) - a concise list at the top is always nice.

My question to you is this...
do you think nikon would really put wifi and tilt screen in a D820/D850?
my quick thought, was no they wouldn't.




Apr 22, 2016 at 10:40 AM
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Maybe not articulating screen, and perhaps not wifi, but an updated AF system and improved high ISO handling are both possible and likely.


Apr 22, 2016 at 11:37 AM
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Elisha82 wrote:
D750 has a better metering system than the D610 and a better AF system than the D810.
Nice pics btw!




Apr 22, 2016 at 12:03 PM
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