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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


What would you want to see on the next 5D?

For me, just surpass the specifications of the following bodies or equal the 2016 bodies at a $2,500 price point.

2016 - Nikon D500
2015 - Leica M Typ 262
2015 - Leica SL Type 601
2015 - Sony a7S II
2015 - Sony a7R II
2015 - Leica M Mono Typ 246
2015 - Nikon D810A
2015 - Canon 5Ds

CFast + SDXC UHS-II / U3 only, please. CF cards and SDHC UHS-I / U3 cards are soooooooo slow.



Feb 01, 2016 at 07:22 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


Better DR. Better buffer. Red AF point. Showing 9xxx on the top display instead of 1xxxx.

Edit: Early March announcement. Late March shipments.



Feb 01, 2016 at 07:29 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


My bet is if you see 4K video, you will have CFast and SDXC UHS-II slots. If no 4K video, then CF and SDXC UHS-II.

If they deliver 28MP, 8FPS, and any improvement on AF (preferably with red indicators) without the pricepoint going sky high (which I was pleasantly surprised about on the 1DX), they are going to have a real winner and there are going to be a TON of 5D3s for sale.

Mark



Feb 01, 2016 at 07:51 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


All I'd want to see is:
28 or more MPs
8FPS (or more but I don't think that will ever happen)
Same 61pt system as the 1DX2 with 61 f/8 points.

If those three things happened I could hold off on a 1DX2 and use a 5D4 with grip instead.

Hoping for a repeat of the 5D3 with early March announcement and late March shipment so I know all about it before the 1DX2 (likely April) is available.



Feb 01, 2016 at 07:53 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


lowside67 wrote:
My bet is if you see 4K video, you will have CFast and SDXC UHS-II slots. If no 4K video, then CF and SDXC UHS-II.

If they deliver 28MP, 8FPS, and any improvement on AF (preferably with red indicators) without the pricepoint going sky high (which I was pleasantly surprised about on the 1DX), they are going to have a real winner and there are going to be a TON of 5D3s for sale.

Mark


This red point AF is way-way over blown...... 24 to 28 is really nothing.
Now we are down to 8FPS. not a deal breaker. this is not a sports minded camera.

.... I think we need to get some real improvement items.... not directed to you lowside.

Like real sensor jump or new node. ... I can see AF spot linked exposure .... throw in the dual pixel AF... -3 to -4 EF for AF sensitivity.


-Mark





Feb 01, 2016 at 08:24 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


Ziffl3 wrote:
This red point AF is way-way over blown...... 24 to 28 is really nothing.
Now we are down to 8FPS. not a deal breaker. this is not a sports minded camera.

.... I think we need to get some real improvement items.... not directed to you lowside.

Like real sensor jump or new node. ... I can see AF spot linked exposure .... throw in the dual pixel AF... -3 to -4 EF for AF sensitivity.

-Mark

I would love 32MP but a 6 MP improvement from 22 to 28 is still good. The gap from 6FPS to 8FPS is actually a substantial one IMO, a "sports" body like the 1dx2 is now boasting 14-16FPS so 8 is not so crazy.

Either way, that's the body I would like to buy, but that's just me!

Mark



Feb 01, 2016 at 08:32 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread



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Feb 01, 2016 at 08:34 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


Ahhhhhh the D500 is an APS-C body. My bad


Feb 01, 2016 at 08:39 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


For me I'd love to see
Single digic 7
30MP DPAF sensor
8-fps FF mode, 10fps crop mode (also in LV mode too)
3s buffer RAW or RAW + jpg, unlimited jpg
1DX II AF and the 1D X 100kp colour sensor (it won't get the newer 360kp sensor for obvious reasons)
Cfast 2 and SDXC UHS-II
ISO 50-51200 native, ISO 25-102400 expanded
USB 3.1, wifi (2.4 and 5GHz, n and ac), gps (bluetooth 4.x)
Integrated flash controller
Intervalometer
1/250 X-sync
EC in M mode with auto ISO
Selectable min shutter speed for Av mode in Auto ISO
3.2" flip lcd 2.16MP (900 x 600 RGBW) or 2.09MP (1024 x 680 RGB)
4K @ 48/30/25/24fps (step down form the 60fps of 1DX for cost and to keep 1DX II's flagship status)
1080p @ 120/100/60/50/30/25/24fps
720p @ 240/200/120/100/60/50/30/25/24fps
0.74x VF
Improved sealing with some actual gaskets rather than just weather strips
HDR II, 5 shot bracket, improved alignment algorithms due to faster digic 7, saves a RAW or at least a TIFF/DNG rather than just jpg. More realistic and improved constrast output.
New LP-E6N battery, 20% higher capacity than LP-E6, 15% more shots than 5DIII, can still use LP-E6 too

We won't see it announced before Photokina unfortunately IMO.


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Feb 01, 2016 at 08:41 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


I guess it depends on your uses and expectations.

Maybe 8fps is not 'needed' but a camera built for higher frame rates tends to operate more 'crisply' and is ready for the next shot sooner. Maybe most of the time you don't need it that fast, but when you do, it's great to have. That's what I'd definitely like to see - responsiveness of a 1D series camera.

Besides, if it has 4K, at whatever frame rate, then here's another option at grabbing those in-between moments.

So, for me it would be 8fps, better responsiveness and better buffer. The latter should be the case if we're looking at 4K, which I would completely expect.

Oh, what's the chance of Canon keeping resolution at 20 by plugging in the 1DX sensor, slightly detuned? Probably not, but just came to mind.


lowside67 wrote:
My bet is if you see 4K video, you will have CFast and SDXC UHS-II slots. If no 4K video, then CF and SDXC UHS-II.

If they deliver 28MP, 8FPS, and any improvement on AF (preferably with red indicators) without the pricepoint going sky high (which I was pleasantly surprised about on the 1DX), they are going to have a real winner and there are going to be a TON of 5D3s for sale.

Mark


Uh, that $6000 US price for the 1DXII is still about 30% more than what the 1DX sold for. You see, back in 2012, the USD was at around 80ish JPY, so a $6700 camera was about 536,000 JPY equivalent. 536000 JPY today can be bought for just under $4500 US. So, Canon is earning a lot more Yen on the 1DXII than the 1DX, but of course those Yen are worth less than in 2012... Funny thing is the ~$5000 US range was generally the price point of the 1D cameras.

Where it sucks is to be earning CAD, because CAD is back to the same JPY value as in 2012, of around 80 per dollar, but we're going to be paying over $8000 for the 1DXII. I doubt Canon Canada will set the retail price to the same-as-2012 of $6700 because it will undermine the US price point. Plus they've got a huge drop in DSLR revenue to mitigate as much as possible (though that seems more a lost cause).

Anyway, sorry for the OT... but point is, if the 5DIV arrives at the same US price point as the III, both the US and Canadian markets will be paying more for the camera than its predecessor. Maybe it will be more around $3000 US?



Feb 01, 2016 at 08:50 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


rscheffler wrote:
Uh, that $6000 US price for the 1DXII is still about 30% more than what the 1DX sold for. You see, back in 2012, the USD was at around 80ish JPY, so a $6700 camera was about 536,000 JPY equivalent. 536000 JPY today can be bought for just under $4500 US. So, Canon is earning a lot more Yen on the 1DXII than the 1DX, but of course those Yen are worth less than in 2012... Funny thing is the ~$5000 US range was generally the price point of the 1D cameras.

Where it sucks is to be earning CAD, because
...Show more

I wonder what the OZ price will be. We are at about 87JPY but roughly parity with CAD maybe a 1c or 2c stronger. Strangely despite only being the low 70's against the USD Sony gear is cheaper here than the US, A7RII is about 3200US but only 3800AUD which is roughly $2730US



Feb 01, 2016 at 08:56 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon 5D Mark IV Thread


I think each sales division has some leeway at setting prices and gauging the domestic market. Canon Canada has generally slightly undercut the US market on high-ticket items like super-teles and 1D series cameras, but closer to par with everything else. Especially when you consider they give a CPS member discount on L glass and 1D bodies. It might be a side effect of the period where the CAD was close to par and many were shopping in the US, or back about 10 years ago when US market pricing was the lowest almost anywhere. Interesting how that aspect of the US market is now reversed.

Chances are very few US buyers will shop around for deals as far as Australia. But I do think a lot of companies are taking advantage of the US market while they can cash in on the sudden USD strength. It only makes sense from a business perspective.

The example I always give is Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses in Japan vs. US market. The 55 Otus is around $3000 USD in Japan, vs. $4000 retail in the US. When I was in Japan last May, there were some Voigtlander lenses that caught my eye for around $700 US compared to $1200 in the US. Recently I bought their new 35/1.7 from the EU for about $600 US, whereas it sells for about a grand in the US...



Feb 01, 2016 at 09:08 PM





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