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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


All,

I currently have a D750, D800 and D7200 in my stable.

I use the D750 for concert and theater production photography. When I say concert, I mean classical and jazz - shooting with a telephoto from a distance, often in low light scenarios.

I almost always use the D750 for this application.

I use the D800 for professional studio headshot and portrait photography.

I use the D7200 for birding and Wildlife.

I have recently sold the D800 and want to replace it with a D810. However, I'm wondering if it could possibly also replace the D750. In a concert or theatrical event, I will often push the iso to 10,000 and beyond when necessary. The images are very noisy of course, but they clean up nicely.

When shooting the D800 in these situations, i can't go much beyond 5,000 and at the most 8,000 iso and remain happy with the outcome.

I want to know if the D810 is better than the D800 in terms of low light application.

Is there someone out there that has used both cameras in this sort of situation who could help me with this question? I know there are DXo numbers on this, but that info is not helpful to me. I need to know how they work in real world situations.

Thanks!

B



Jan 06, 2016 at 09:00 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


I typically don't dig as deep as you do into the ISO range, however, I never really noticed a significant difference between my 800/e series and my 810s. If there is a difference between the two, it's not more than a third of a stop.


Jan 06, 2016 at 09:12 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


I know I can do head shots and portraits with the D750, but I appreciate the megapixals of the D800/810.




Jan 06, 2016 at 09:21 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


I have both and I second shoot weddings, but no concerts. But we need high iso. I used to have an 800 also. IMO the 810 is about a stop better than the 800, but still not nearly as good as the 750. Again, IMO, the 750 is better than the D3s which I just sold. Just barely, but still better.
And if reach is not critical for you, the 810 makes a great wildlife camera also. That quiet shutter is great. Deer don't spook nearly as much or as quickly with it.



Jan 06, 2016 at 09:29 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


The soft shutter would be HUGE for the kind of concerts I shoot. I have to use a camera muzzle on the D750 because the mirror slap is so damn loud. The D810 would be a huge improvement there, but rarely is the lighting good enough to use my D800.

Why don't they put that soft shutter in EVERY DSLR?

B



Jan 06, 2016 at 09:34 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


blutch wrote:
The soft shutter would be HUGE for the kind of concerts I shoot. I have to use a camera muzzle on the D750 because the mirror slap is so damn loud. The D810 would be a huge improvement there, but rarely is the lighting good enough to use my D800.

Why don't they put that soft shutter in EVERY DSLR?

B


I loved the quiet shutter on the D810, favorite camera when it comes to both output and sound when you don't want to hear but can the click click click.. the pro bodies are the worst or most musical

Big moving stuff especially mirror etc... got to think damping and supporting say 14FPS is significant in challenge I think.



Jan 06, 2016 at 10:46 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


I have both the d810 and the d750 as well...seems to be a popular combo these days. Sold my d4 to get both.

Anyway, while the d810 is pretty decent in low light, as others have said the d750 is pretty amazing, noticeably better. That's partly why I have it...although I might swap it for a d500 at some point.



Jan 06, 2016 at 11:24 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


Do you think the D500 will perform as well than the D750 in low light? I wonder about shutter sound?

B



Jan 06, 2016 at 11:27 AM
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blutch wrote:
Do you think the D500 will perform as well than the D750 in low light? I wonder about shutter sound?

B

Newer tech and fewer pixels but smaller sensor. Might be close. I would bet the shutter is quieter though.



Jan 07, 2016 at 12:10 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


Here's a comparison I did:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1335355/0



Jan 07, 2016 at 12:14 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


joefoo wrote:
Newer tech and fewer pixels but smaller sensor. Might be close. I would bet the shutter is quieter though.


I think there is potential the the D500 is the quietest Nikon DSLR yet. It has the same body as the D810. It may be just as damped as the D810, but has a smaller shutter and mirror.



Jan 07, 2016 at 12:28 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


Thank you Snapsy. That is very helpful to me.

Now I need to compare them to the D500. Especially the shutter volume.

B



Jan 07, 2016 at 12:30 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


I think this
dpreview studio comparison shows difference pretty well.

D610 and D750 are similar and better than D810. D810A is better than D810, but colors will not be as accurate, it also misses low ISO.



Jan 07, 2016 at 03:17 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


jtra, that is a really helpful tool. I wish the results of the D810 were better.

Now, I need to see how they compare after some noise reduction applied.

B



Jan 07, 2016 at 10:25 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


blutch wrote:
jtra, that is a really helpful tool. I wish the results of the D810 were better.

Now, I need to see how they compare after some noise reduction applied.
B


You can see it, there are links to download NEF raws.



Jan 07, 2016 at 10:52 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810



PRE SCRIPT -- I just went back and read the original post and I should have paid more attention when reading it initially -- I know blutch and know his concert and portrait work, each of which is outstanding!!

IMO (and, of course, everything that I say is only my opinion) and for the "look" that I'm going for, ISO over 1600 is rarely necessary. The lighting that I deal with among several venues is not much different than anyone will have anywhere in the USA. Although, I know that blutch is often engaged to shoot classical concerts that are performed in churches -- challenges there without stage lighting or spot lights, trying to shoot unnoticed anywhere in the house, and quiet passages in a live space with a noisy shutter. end of PRE SCRIPT

Hi, blutch and All,

New member here, so please forgive any missteps or social indiscretions. Occasional lurker but I joined just to be able to participate in this particular discussion.

I shoot concerts and shows, almost exclusively. D800 with 200-400 f/4, 80-200 f/2.8, mostly. 24-70 f/2.8 and 17-35 f/2.8 in certain circumstances. Very rarely a Rokinon 14mm. I'll sometimes use a D7000 with the 80-200 or the 17-35 from the wings.

IQ is paramount.

I hate the shutter noise on the D800 -- reminds me of slamming the hood on a '53 Buick. I can get away with it most of the time on non-classical gigs but, occasionally during a softer piece, I'll have to time a shutter stroke to land on an accented beat in the music or shoot a quick series during a forte passage -- otherwise I use a camera muzzle (without the lens cover) when I need to be vewy, vewy quiet.

I've rented a D810 twice when I needed two full-frame bodies with me during a concert. LOVED them. IQ slightly, but noticeably, better than the D800, and the quieter shutter is almost reason enough to get one.

I rented a D750 when they first came out in order to evaluate its usefulness in the way that I see and shoot -- IQ was obviously down from the D800. And, I'm not (usually) trying to pull something out of nothing -- there are lights somewhere on the performers, so the super-duper low-light performance of the D750 ended up not meaning anything to me. I'm not trying to attain even lighting across the stage or to bring up the background shadows but to take advantage of whatever lighting (sometimes disappointing but nothing that a higher ISO would solve) that there is.

I shoot manual, almost always at ISO 1600 -- rarely go to 3200 or above. And, I don't need the NBA/NFL/BIF 11 fps, so the D800 serves my concert shooting very, very well. Just checked data on some challenging gigs -- occasionally go to 2000 and 2500 -- found one shot (pulling a bass player out of a cave) where I went to 3200.

All that said, and after some PM'ing with blutch, I'm half ready to rent a D750 for three concerts (six separate acts) over 10 days
in a terribly lit (they think that it is artistic) venue later this month.

Would have been interested in trying a Sony ar7II body but I can't find an adapter just yet that would communicate with my lenses at the level that I could feel comfortable, but ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/191745125210?rmvSB=true. We may soon see.

That's it.

Denny




Jan 07, 2016 at 06:36 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


Biggest advantage of the D810 for event photography is its much quieter shutter - the D800e and D750 cameras are a lot louder even on the Q settings.

As you said you shoot from a distance then there is no reason not to go with the D500 DX camera and get the ultra high ISO performance and a far superior autofocus system with its 99 cross type AF sensors as compared to the D8xx, D750, D7xxx camera with the old system with its 15 cross type sensors. The D500 also has -4 EV AF sensors to boot.



Jan 08, 2016 at 06:03 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


Hi Blutch,

I had the D800 only very shortly (never warmed to IQ, and seriously disliked many other aspects), but I own both D810 & D750.

The D750 is 1 stop better in low light, at the very least. In tungsten light, the D810 shows magenta shadows much earlier, to the point where iso 12800 is truly emergency only for me (although it makes for beautiful B&W).
The D750 holds colour better at those high isos, less magenta pollution, and it seems to be more sensitive than the D810 (I mean this: in Live View, both cameras at same iso/ f-stop in really marginal light, the D750 just picks up more light, its Live View image is both lighter and less noisy).
D810 suffers of the dreaded amp noise, that affected the D800. To a lower extent, but it's still there.

The D810 is the best camera I used to date for low iso work, and the only one I shoot confidently in critical conditions (read: full sun) and still keep being happy with the output. It has excellent highlights latitude and a gorgeous tonal rendition. It just falters at high iso. For that, the D750 is the better tool.

Lastly, the shutter/mirror noise is truly much improved over the D800 & D750 (which is very high pitched), but in all honesty, it's probably still not quiet enough not to bother during concerts...

Ciao,
Lory



Jan 09, 2016 at 02:57 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


The Df has excellent low light capabilities and a fairly quiet shutter. Certainly a lot quieter than my D3 was. ISO 3200 is no problem for this camera and with decent post skills you should easily be able to best the D750 (albeit with less pixels). You didn't mention what telephoto lenses you were using. F2.8 or F4.0? You could always pick up a used 200 f/2.0 which I highly recommend. If you need additional pixels and the reach, that lens with the new D500 when it appears may be a killer combo for concerts.


Jan 09, 2016 at 07:27 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Low Light Noise D750 vs. D810


There's no meaningful difference between the D800 and D810 at high ISOs. In a way, the D810 is worse because the lack of an AA filter really seems to bring out the grain. I never go beyond ISO 2000 or 2500 with it; ISO 3200 if you held a gun to my head, but only in very good light.


Jan 09, 2016 at 07:38 AM
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