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Much I read the 24-70 ver II is the holy grail on zoom lenses on the 5dsr - I disagree. The 24-105L is a fine lens - why all the bashing on it?? If I'm doing portraits etc who cares about the corners? I'm not taking pictures of brick walls either. Any concerns of why I wouldn't want to use the 24-105L on the 5dsr - I think it's a match made in heaven at least on my 5Dmk111 over the 24-70 ver II which I also own.


Nov 10, 2015 at 10:17 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 24-105L on 5dsr (50mp)


Please share some of your results with the 24-105. I am sure many would be interested in seeing.


Nov 10, 2015 at 10:40 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 24-105L on 5dsr (50mp)


My 24-105 seems to work the same on my 5Ds as it did on my MkIII, it's a useful lens if you don't want to be swapping lenses all the time. That being said, it's more on the 'consumer' end of the L lens lineup. I really wish Canon would do their recent WA magic on this lens and update it to vII, as it does have some issues.

The 24-70/2.8L II can be a very good lens, but for me it's rather notable field curvature limits its use for a group portrait lens (read: I would never in a million years use it for a group portrait if I had another option). Great for individual portraits, sports, and perhaps some carefully-controlled landscapes.



Nov 10, 2015 at 10:49 AM
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I have some thoughts along a similar line. I have a 24-105 and have seen some shortcomings in the past - mainly around 24 when I was unable to stop down. However, I have to make a decision on what to take on a luggage weight limited trip abroad and borrowed a friend's Zeiss 50 2.0 Makroplanar to see if I wanted to take one of those instead, to use on my 5DsR. I specifically only tested at 50 and added in an older CZ 35-70 3.4. I was interested in the f/8 performance for landscapes. I was quite impressed with how well the 24-105 did in that narrow comparison. (25 feet, wood, aged metal, rice-straw plaster textures and high contrast resolution charts). The colour differences were obvious but the sharpness difference was either hard to see or only slight, even in the corners. If I had other FLs covered and was only concerned with 50, I'd take the Zeiss but so far, it's not so much better (recall this is at f/8) that it trumps the 51-105 range (I have the 16-35 f4 gem) and AF and IS convenience for this trip. Perhaps I got a "good" one but this comparison comforts me that I won't be leaving much behind in terms of IQ and have significant weight/FL range and convenience advantage. Not sure if I'll ever post the shots but just thought I'd add the comments. (Most of my favoured images seem to come from the 16-35 range as landscapes or 100-400 as wildlife, so the 24-105 range gets more of a walkabout priority anyway)


Nov 10, 2015 at 11:11 AM
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I have spent a lot of time testing on my 5DSR the Canon 24-105 vs the Canon 24-70 F2.8 II vs the Canon 35F2 vs the Canon 70-200 F2.8 II and 70-200 F4 IS II vs the 100-400 II and I have settled on the Sigma 24-105 F4 OS as the main lens for the camera.

The Sigma is as sharp and even sharper than the Canon 24-70 F2.8 II at F4 and F5.6 at every FL - even in the corners - and also has great contrast.

I have also kept my Canon 24-105 F4 because it is weather sealed, unlike the Sigma, and I agree it makes for a good, not great, but good lens on the 5DSR - and in my opinion, unless you have very good light and can use high SS, it makes for a better lens than the 24-70 because you can use reasonable SS - that said, it you are using a tripod on monopod, there is no question that the 24-70 is sharper and resolves better than the 24-105 - you can see the difference - there is just more detail.

I have retired my 24-70 F2.8 to my Sony A7Rii where it is an amazing lens because of IBIS - when you add IBIS to the great colours off the Sony to the cropability of 40 megapixels, you can use the Canon 24-70 F2.8 II as a one lens setup for everything - it is outstanding - but I dod not use it on the 5DSR.

The 5DSR needs IS lenses - that is my opinion - otherwise, you should just stick with the 5D3.


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Nov 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM
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preferredcam wrote:
Much I read the 24-70 ver II is the holy grail on zoom lenses on the 5dsr - I disagree. The 24-105L is a fine lens - why all the bashing on it?? If I'm doing portraits etc who cares about the corners? I'm not taking pictures of brick walls either. Any concerns of why I wouldn't want to use the 24-105L on the 5dsr - I think it's a match made in heaven at least on my 5Dmk111 over the 24-70 ver II which I also own.


I tend to agree that "24-105 bad — 24-70 good" is a bit simplistic. (I have shared a couple of articles about this.)

The 24-70 is an excellent lens, but the 24-105 also has some real strengths — it is mostly about matching your particular needs to the right lens. The image quality of the 24-105 can be quite good, especially in the middle of the focal length range and at somewhat smaller apertures, plus it has a larger focal length range and IS.

If you already have a 24-105 I would give it a try on the 5DsR before switching to a different lens — it may fit your use case quite well.

Dan



Nov 10, 2015 at 11:46 AM
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wallstreetonei wrote:
The Sigma is as sharp and even sharper than the Canon 24-70 F2.8 IS at F4 and F5.6 at every FL - even in the corners - and also has great contrast.


This statement is confusing to me as there is no such thing as a "Canon 24-70 F2.8 IS". There is an EF 24-70mm f/2.8L, an EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II, and an EF 24-70mm f/4L IS. Which of these Canon 24-70mm lenses are you referring to?



Nov 10, 2015 at 11:49 AM
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darbo wrote:
This statement is confusing to me as there is no such thing as a "Canon 24-70 F2.8 IS". There is an EF 24-70mm f/2.8L, an EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II, and an EF 24-70mm f/4L IS. Which of these Canon 24-70mm lenses are you referring to?


He meant the II.



Nov 10, 2015 at 11:58 AM
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Schlotkins wrote:
He meant the II.


Ah, OK. Thanks! Combining f/2.8 and "IS" threw me for a loop. Wish there was an f/2.8 IS.



Nov 10, 2015 at 11:58 AM
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preferredcam wrote:
Much I read the 24-70 ver II is the holy grail on zoom lenses on the 5dsr - I disagree. The 24-105L is a fine lens - why all the bashing on it?? If I'm doing portraits etc who cares about the corners? I'm not taking pictures of brick walls either. Any concerns of why I wouldn't want to use the 24-105L on the 5dsr - I think it's a match made in heaven at least on my 5Dmk111 over the 24-70 ver II which I also own.


I'm getting very good results with the 24-70/4 IS on the 5DsR. I rarely use the 24-70/2.8 II anymore. The 24-105"just doesn't have enough IQ in the edges/corners and is unacceptable at the wide end for my needs.

EBH



Nov 10, 2015 at 12:10 PM
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I'm getting very good results with the 24-70/4 IS on the 5DsR. I rarely use the 24-70/2.8 II anymore.

EBH


Interesting. What are you liking better about the 24-70 f/4L IS over the 24-70 f/2.8L II? Better sharpness? Lighter/smaller? Less field curvature? Just curious.




Nov 10, 2015 at 12:16 PM
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I use the 24-105/4L IS a lot. OTOH, the 24-70/2.8L II consistently provides better IQ, at the edges and corners, when IS isn't required. Also, the extra stop with f/2.8 provides faster and more accurate AF in low light.


Nov 10, 2015 at 12:19 PM
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corrected typo - meant the Canon 24-70 F2.8 II not IS but II - wrote this because there is the I version


Nov 10, 2015 at 01:14 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 24-105L on 5dsr (50mp)


I looked up 20-105 on photozone.de and at f8 (where I use it for landscape work) and it has albout equal extreme corner peformance as 24-70v2 at 24,40 and 70. And it falls infinitly short at 105mm corner and middle And it has IS.

24-70 centre performance is better by 10% though.

And the barrel distortion is much higher on 24-105 at 24 and then pretty even thereafter.

I prefer my 24-105 F4 IS to my 24-70 for reach and IS. When I am at 24mm, I use a prime. And when I am indoors I use my 24-70 for f2.8

Although I would like an improved 24-105 f4 L - the one that exists is my go to lens with my TS17, and ts17/1.4x for hiking.



Nov 10, 2015 at 03:06 PM
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jcolwell wrote:
I use the 24-105/4L IS a lot. OTOH, the 24-70/2.8L II consistently provides better IQ, at the edges and corners, when IS isn't required. Also, the extra stop with f/2.8 provides faster and more accurate AF in low light.


+1 for this analysis of the IQ comparisons.

One interesting angle to consider is to look at how the comparison of IQ is within the 24mm-70mm focal length range. My experience is that the 24-105 is quite good in the center of the range, perhaps between roughly 30mm or 35mm and about 80mm-90mm. At the wide end we see more vignetting and barrel distortion — both correctible in post — and at the 105mm end we can see a bit more softness.

If you mostly shoot at smaller apertures, like having IS, value having a bit more long focal length, and can correct vignetting and barrel distortion in post, the 24-105 starts to look a bit more appealing. If you need f/2.8, can take advantage of a bit more resolution, are OK with the 70mm long limit, then the 24-70 f/2.8 starts to look more appealing.

I have access to both.

Dan

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Nov 10, 2015 at 03:07 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 24-105L on 5dsr (50mp)


I posted 5DSR results with my 24-105mm a few months ago:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1376130/0



Nov 10, 2015 at 03:07 PM
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My 24-105L IS works fine on 21MP sensors, and I have no reason to suspect it won't be even better on a higher MP sensor (based on my experience with D800e and various older lenses and Zeiss ZF primes of good quality).

I consider myself a discriminating user, not afraid to do lens comparisons and full aperture range studies at each major focal length for zoom lenses. This lens has become my go-to unless specialized lenses are needed such as TSE or macro. I view results at 100% and scan the entire image area for discrepancies.

There seems to be a wide range of satisfaction/dissatisfaction with this lens. I don't know how to account for it. I bought the lens used, but in excellent condition. You'd think I would be at greatest risk of having a lemon, but mine is good even at 24mm wide open (naturally, it improves stopping down), and I have no reason not to use the full aperture range or zoom range -- nowhere is it unexpectedly soft or weak. Stopping down to f/8-11 provides sharpness nearly equal to my primes.

If it ain't broke. . . !



Nov 10, 2015 at 05:05 PM
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Gunzorro wrote:
My 24-105L IS works fine on 21MP sensors, and I have no reason to suspect it won't be even better on a higher MP sensor (based on my experience with D800e and various older lenses and Zeiss ZF primes of good quality).

I consider myself a discriminating user, not afraid to do lens comparisons and full aperture range studies at each major focal length for zoom lenses. This lens has become my go-to unless specialized lenses are needed such as TSE or macro. I view results at 100% and scan the entire image area for discrepancies.

There seems to be
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I too have a good copy of this Canon lens - and I too am a big fan - but, I have done the tests. While you will get better resolution with the 5DSR it will not, i repeat not, remotely resolve as other more modern lenses can on the 5DSR. Even without extreme pixel peeping the 24-70 F2.8 II resolves significantly more detail at F5.6 and F8 - I have tested it. And that is why I finally found the Sigma 24-105 as it is at the level, and even surpasses the Canon 24-70 F2.8 II, in terms of sharpness. All the above said, I am still a huge fan of the Canon 24-105 - at F5.6 and F8 as it is fantastic everywhere except at the longest FL.

If I was going out in the elements to do various family portraits that might involve OCF - it would be my 100% goto lens; if the conditions where better or studio like it would be 100% the Sigma. My 2nd favourite lens on the 5DSR is the 100-400L II - it is fantastic.



Nov 10, 2015 at 05:38 PM
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I was only a little surprised, given the wealth of "differences of opinion" on any given lens, that there is quite a bit of "copy-to-copy" variation. Roger's test here of some "good" lenses shows that even they are subject to this variability - some of that was surprising. I'm not sure if he has tested 10-20 copies of the 24-105 but, at the "consumer" end of the L category, one might expect a bit more variability from copy to copy than for the higher up lenses.


Nov 10, 2015 at 06:24 PM
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Jeff wrote:
My 24-105 seems to work the same on my 5Ds as it did on my MkIII, it's a useful lens if you don't want to be swapping lenses all the time. That being said, it's more on the 'consumer' end of the L lens lineup. I really wish Canon would do their recent WA magic on this lens and update it to vII, as it does have some issues.

The 24-70/2.8L II can be a very good lens, but for me it's rather notable field curvature limits its use for a group portrait lens (read: I would never in a million
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+1 on both counts. I got the 24-70/2.8 II to replace the 24-70/2.8s, which had the extreme corner problem. I would love a new 24-105/4 in the $1500 range with excellent IQ.

EBH



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