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Saw this thread over at DPreview
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56076480



Jul 01, 2015 at 04:35 PM
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A rather odd list if you ask me, omitting some of Canon's most expensive (bar the great whites) offerings like the 14/2.8 L II, the 180/3.5 L Macro or the 16-35/2.8 L II but including the 50/1.8 II (not even the STM).


Jul 01, 2015 at 04:59 PM
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The 24-70/4 IS makes the list, but the 500/4 IS and other 2nd gen big teles do not? The 16-35/2.8 II is not so great in the corners, though somewhat better than the first one at f/16.

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Jul 01, 2015 at 06:52 PM
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I'm a little puzzled at the list as well. They haven't included the previous versions of the 300/2.8 IS or the 400/2.8 IS for example. Both are excellent lenses. Seeing the 50/1.8 II but not the new STM version is puzzling. Optically, they're very similar though the new lens enjoys better glass coatings and physical improvements.

I am somewhat surprised that the 16-35 f/2.8 II isn't on the list either. No 24/1.4 Mk I or 35/1.4 either.



Jul 01, 2015 at 07:24 PM
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Tom_W wrote:
I'm a little puzzled at the list as well. They haven't included the previous versions of the 300/2.8 IS or the 400/2.8 IS for example. Both are excellent lenses. Seeing the 50/1.8 II but not the new STM version is puzzling. Optically, they're very similar though the new lens enjoys better glass coatings and physical improvements.

I am somewhat surprised that the 16-35 f/2.8 II isn't on the list either. No 24/1.4 Mk I or 35/1.4 either.


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Jul 01, 2015 at 08:29 PM
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mogul wrote:
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Perhaps, but I think that there are other reasons that lenses like the 50/1.8 STM, 300/2.8 IS, and 400/2.8 IS were omitted. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that the list had to include current Canon lenses only and the list was developed before the 50/1.8 STM was put on the market. I mean after all, why would Canon recommend a lens that they no longer produced even if it was a top-notch lens?



Jul 01, 2015 at 08:47 PM
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I wouldn't make too much of that list... ;-)



Jul 01, 2015 at 09:04 PM
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Yeah, they probably made it to keep us occupied while they sneak in some more tweaks that invalidate third party (who's the second party anyways?) lenses.
P.S. All the discontinued lenses don't exist as far as Canon is concerned. So no surprise that the 1999 superteles aren't on the list.
P.P.S. At least we got an official acknowledgement of the 16-35/2.8's suckage. And I'm stuck with one!

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I wouldn't make too much of that list... ;-)




Jul 02, 2015 at 02:13 AM
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The original source of this is Canon Europe:

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/news/eos_5ds_and_5dsr_recommended_lenses.do

The list there is the same as the one at the-digital-picture.com and elsewhere except it has the 70-200mm f/4 IS instead of the old version.

And I quote from the Canon Europe page:

"...rather than bundling the camera with a standard zoom we are running a promotion allowing the customers to select a lens from a selection of recommended lenses to be purchased together with the body at a discount."

So "recommended" has been taken right out of its original context in the various online discussions.

Probably:

- The 50mm f/1.8 STM is absent because they don't want to sell such a cheap lens in a kit with such an expensive camera.

- The 50mm f/1.2 is there because they can't not offer a kit with a 50. (This lens *is* very sharp at certain settings.)

- The 180mm f/3.5 macro, sharp as it is, is absent because there are some restrictions with AF points using recent bodies and they don't want to go explaining that during the sales process or, worse, afterwards. Alternatively, volume levels being so low on this lens, they don't want to deplete stock levels and have to make an unplanned batch.

- The 35mm f/1.4 is sharp after f/4, but since it isn't sharp wide open it's better to sell the punters a 24-70 f/2.8 II.

As for the 16-35 f/2.8 Mk II, maybe so many copies do suck in the corners that they don't want to risk it. I know my copy *is* sharp at f/11.





Jul 02, 2015 at 02:57 AM
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melcat the list coming from 3rd party sites are riddled with typos. Although there are some a typo in the canon-europe.com site it now makes more sense.

Source: http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/news/eos_5ds_and_5dsr_recommended_lenses.do

- I corrected one typo... namely the EF200mm f/2L II USM to EF200mm f/2.8L II USM
- Marketing year was added by me
- Unlisted L lenses were added by me
- Canon's recommendation could indicate lenses that are not expected to be updated within 3-5 years?

Zoom Lenses

2011 EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM
2015 EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
2014 EF 16-35mm f/4L IS USM
2012 EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM
2012 EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM
2010 EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM
2006 EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM
2010 EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS USM
2014 EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM
2013 EF 200-400mm f/4L IS USM EXTENDER 1.4x

Wide Angle Primes

2009 TS-E 17mm f/4L
2009 TS-E 24mm f/3.5L II
2008 EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM
2012 EF 24mm f/2.8 IS USM
2012 EF 28mm f/2.8 IS USM
2012 EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

Standard Primes

2012 EF 40mm f/2.8 STM
2007 EF 50mm f/1.2L USM
1993 EF 50mm f/1.4 USM
2015 EF 50mm f/1.8 STM
1987 EF 50mm f/2.5 Compact Macro

Telephoto Primes

2006 EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM
1992 EF 85mm f/1.8 USM
1991 TS-E 90mm f/2.8
1991 EF 100mm f/2 USM
2000 EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro USM
2009 EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM
1996 EF 135mm f/2L USM
1996 EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM
2008 EF 200mm f/2L IS USM
2011 EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II USM
2011 EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
2015 EF 400mm f/4 DO IS II USM
2011 EF 500mm f/4L IS II USM
2011 EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
2008 EF 800mm f/5.6L IS USM


Unlisted L lenses that may have new versions within the year or two.

2007 EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM
- Canon may come out with a Series III or better yet an IS version

2004 EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM
- Nikon came out with their own in 2010

2007 EF 14mm f/2.8L II USM
- Like the 15/2.8 FE the 14 has been sidegraded by the 11-24/4.0

1998 EF 35mm f/1.4L USM
- Series II to compete with Sigma Art & Nikon's marketed in 2010

1997 EF 300mm f/4L IS USM
- Nikon came out with a PF (Nikon's equivalent to DO) in 2015.

1996 EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM
1993 EF 400mm f/5.6L USM
- Waiting for Nikon or other company to offer a lens like this



Jul 02, 2015 at 03:22 AM
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The Canon page has now been removed.


Jul 02, 2015 at 04:46 AM
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Unsurprising... Osborne effect would happen.


Jul 02, 2015 at 05:27 AM
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Snopchenko wrote:
... third party (who's the second party anyways?) lenses....


The first two parties are you and the company from whom you purchase the original product, i.e. Canon.

Dan



Jul 02, 2015 at 07:40 AM





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