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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/couple-waldorf-pay-dream-wedding-cut-short-article-1.2265480


Jun 22, 2015 at 04:16 PM
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I would have left whether I was photographing the wedding or not and there would have been NO refund.

I am entitled to a reasonable expectation of safety and well being and that does not include dipship guests sending hot lead around a room.
If this was as I take it early on in the proceedings, what could one expect once the guests were good and liquored up?

I have Range Officer qualifications so I'm not unfamiliar with firearms nor a safety zealot but something like this would have me out of there with no apologies or anything else. They are paying me to take pictures not my life in my own hands or worse still, put it in some other idiots ineptitude.

I think it's very typical the B&G want to sue the hotel.
Blame someone else, always the way.

WTF aren't they suing the irresponsible moron who loosed one off in the middle of their reception and came a whisker away from killing someone? Ya know, the idiot RESPONSIBLE for the whole situation whom fired the gun?
Because they are a relate or a friend and probably don't have the money anyway?

And what WAS the hotel supposed to do, order their staff into a place that had proved had every chance of being a life threatening environment? Pat down all the guests and check the ladys handbags to make sure no other fool could repeat the same incident? Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't get anyone's nose out of joint or put the hotel in the line for a class action civil rights suits by some bunch of do gooders?

And what happens if the function continues and some other clown fires another one off and someone gets tagged? First question everyone would ask would be " Why the hell didn't you shut the event down after the first incident?
They way the couple are carrying on, the hotel would have been damned if they did and someone could have ended up dead if they didn't.

Stuff like this makes me sick.
Blame the idiot responsible not the people with the money.


Maybe US photographers should look at their contracts and thing about a Firearms and accidental discharge policy?

"In the case of a guest carrying a firearm causing any sort of discharge of any weapon, intended or not, I reserve the right to Shoot back with deadly accuracy so as to neutralise their inane stupidity and ensure my own safety and that of other innocent bystanders around me"

Either that or I reserve the right to leave with no refunds or compensation given in any way.




Jun 22, 2015 at 11:39 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · If you were at this wedding, would you have...


It's not clear whether you are 'shooting back' with a camera or a firearm, glort. Might want to tweak that language. I mean, I'm no lawyer... but...


Jun 23, 2015 at 01:53 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · If you were at this wedding, would you have...


I actually know someone (friend of a relative) that was at the wedding and I heard the story right after it happened... Word on the street is that it was a 700k wedding!


Jun 23, 2015 at 05:47 AM
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Tony Hoffer wrote:
Word on the street is that it was a 700k wedding!


Not after someone put it all to an end by spending a .50C Round!



Jun 23, 2015 at 06:44 AM
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glort wrote:
WTF aren't they suing the irresponsible moron who loosed one off in the middle of their reception and came a whisker away from killing someone?


I think the article says they are doing that as well glort.

But anyway, the whole situation is moronic. If I were the hotel/venue, I would have told them to get the f*ck out as well.



Jun 23, 2015 at 07:34 AM
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Sometimes it not the guest you have to worry about. This pic is of the bride whose wedding I shot last year. Notice what is in her hip.




Jun 23, 2015 at 08:33 AM
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jcolman wroteThis pic is of the bride whose wedding I shot last year. Notice what is in her hip.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x148/jcolman_photo/alexsis%20and%20michael/wedding-114_zpsf7b07792.jpg


Was she concerned about the parents being overly assertive in arranging the formals?



Jun 23, 2015 at 09:09 AM
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Nikon_14 wrote:
Was she concerned about the parents being overly assertive in arranging the formals?


I asked her if she was planning on wearing her gun under her wedding dress and she replied "if I had an ankle holster I would".




Jun 23, 2015 at 09:10 AM
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Im all about free rights. And Im all about the right to bear arms. But unless you are hired security or an off duty officer, be respectful and leave your firearm at home. Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should. Guest ruins wedding, and instead of Bride and groom dealing with the guest, they try to sue the venue. wtf is our world coming to. really? These idiots should go back to the hole they came from and stay there for the remainder of their lives, or until they wake up, and become sensible. Waldorf did nothing. Escorting guests out safely is protocol. Next thing you know they will be suing the NYPD for ruining it and making it a "big deal".

And if you don't know how to have your gun on safety, you shouldn't be carrying in the first place.



Jun 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM
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Daboyle wrote:
Im all about free rights. And Im all about the right to bear arms. But unless you are hired security or an off duty officer, be respectful and leave your firearm at home. Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should. Guest ruins wedding, and instead of Bride and groom dealing with the guest, they try to sue the venue. wtf is our world coming to. really? These idiots should go back to the hole they came from and stay there for the remainder of their lives, or until they wake up, and become sensible. Waldorf did nothing.
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http://www.slrlounge.com/photographer-attacked-beaten-robbed-wedding-5-tips-safety-shoot/

https://fstoppers.com/wedding/photographers-camera-gear-stolen-wedding-what-can-we-learn-3030


If I choose to carry, I will. My safety is my responsibility

BTW not all firearms have a safety, my Sig P229 does not have one, but the hammer is down when carried.






Jun 23, 2015 at 11:38 AM
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seems to me the photog in the story was attacked from behind in one blow- not much a gun would do to change that unfortunately - except possibly get stolen and used on you. As for choosing to carry as a photographer- make sure the venue and couple clear it, as you are a vendor and hired contractor. You are correct that not all firearms do - but in the case, like you said, hammer down acts as a safety.


Jun 23, 2015 at 12:28 PM
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Haha. Wow. That's an amazing story. I understand the desire to be strapped, but man, what an idiot. A lot of handguns don't have safeties, and for good reason, but why was there a round in the chamber? Why do you need to walk around with a racked handgun? I don't know, if I just shelled out 3/4 of a million for a wedding, I'd probably feel a little bit litigious myself. No-win situation for anyone here.


Jun 23, 2015 at 12:29 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · If you were at this wedding, would you have...


Daboyle wrote:
Guest ruins wedding, and instead of Bride and groom dealing with the guest, they try to sue the venue. wtf is our world coming to. really? These idiots should go back to the hole they came from and stay there for the remainder of their lives, or until they wake up, and become sensible. Waldorf did nothing. Escorting guests out safely is protocol. Next thing you know they will be suing the NYPD for ruining it and making it a "big deal".


Their guest caused the issue but the venue absolutely did do something as they chose to cancel the reception long after the situation had been contained and cleared by the police (if the quote in the article is to be believed). Whether this was necessary or appropriate is certainly open to question so I don't see a problem with the lawsuit tbh.



Jun 23, 2015 at 03:23 PM
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Mark_L wrote:
Their guest caused the issue but the venue absolutely did do something as they chose to cancel the reception long after the situation had been contained and cleared by the police (if the quote in the article is to be believed). Whether this was necessary or appropriate is certainly open to question so I don't see a problem with the lawsuit tbh.



Even if the police had cleared it, the venue no doubt would've lost millions (pounds, dollars, yen, etc.) if 1 of the grazee's friends/relatives decided to retaliate... even if it were not with a gun.

I also don't understand how the person was "accidentally" grazed... the guest had to have had their weapon out, taken the safety off, chambered a round, etc. No telling what direction things were headed, as others have written.



Jun 23, 2015 at 03:41 PM
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Mark you make a good point, except we dont know the circumstances that led up to the incident. Perhaps the gun was purposely unholstered, perhaps there was excessive drinking, or perhaps is was a complete unfortunate mishap. The point is, at the instance gunfire takes place and police are called to evacuate guests, well then the venue has every right to protect itself and say the party is over. While the bride and groom were the ones who ultimately took the hit, the venue had to protect itself. Luckily no one was injured, but if I were the DJ, photographer, whoever.... the moment a gun was fired I would have said Im sorry but the evening is over for me, since safety and life takes precedence over the remainder of the night


Jun 23, 2015 at 08:43 PM
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As usual, there is a bit more to the story than meets the eye.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/gunfire-erupts-manhattan-waldorf-astoria-hotel-officia-article-1.2257437

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/shooter-waldorf-astoria-accidentally-fired-gun-article-1.2258897

More than one person was hurt and the Dickhead that loosed the round off had done the same thing before. The moron with the gun passed it off to his brother who then passed it off to his mother to take the thing home. At the time the cops weren't sure where the gun was or who had it and they didn't recover it till later.

They were still interviewing the guy to try and ascertain WTF had gone on and whether it was an attempted murder.
Anyone that stupid should NEVER be allowed near a firearm again.

It just does my head in how anyone can think that the hotel did anything wrong in this situation. What the hell else could they do without opening themselves up to more litigation?

And the Hotel is supposed to carry on like nothing happened Seriously
Cops, ambulances, people freaking out, Staff probably shipping themselves and not wanting to go back near the place and the Hotel is supposed to let it go ahead?

In any case, carry on or not, the whole event was already ruined. The food would have been buggered after sitting round for ages, there probably wouldn't have been time to get through the proceedings so the hotel leaves itself open to putting on a sub standard function at very best. I wonder how many people would have hung around anyway?

I doubt if the cops even finished their initial investigation and worked out what happened in under 2 hours so by that time it's already 9:30 minimum and the reception hasn't started.

I wonder if the hotel has something in their contract about firearms being brought into functions? If so, then they had every right to close the event down and the whining B&G won't have a leg to stand on. In any case, I would assume they have some policy on something like this given the other shooting that occurred there in 08 and the cops may well have had a say in the matter proceeding as well.

There is mention of suing the moron that never should have had a gun in the first place but why the couple would even consider suing the hotel is beyond me.

Might just be headlines and I doubt it will get very far unless things in the US are a lot more idiotic than I realize.




Jun 23, 2015 at 10:25 PM
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Eh.. would not have bothered me that much. I have been around guns my whole life and my brother carries one everywhere.
Honestly I would have shot the HELL out of it. Possibly the greatest documentary setup I could imagine at a wedding especially with what is going on in the world today.

If it would have been some sort of attack that would have been different but an accidental discharge is not the same thing as a street war or something in the hotel.
After reading more of the articles... I still would have been shooting.



Jun 23, 2015 at 11:18 PM
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Daboyle wrote:
As for choosing to carry as a photographer- make sure the venue and couple clear it, as you are a vendor and hired contractor.


It's called concealed carry for a reason, I'm not clearing with anyone if I choose to carry.



Jun 24, 2015 at 12:55 AM
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Gary Harfield wrote:
It's called concealed carry for a reason, I'm not clearing with anyone if I choose to carry.


I understand that. I also understand some churches and places have restrictions, regardless of what delights your heart. If they have proper signage, you are restricted from carrying, period. You step onto another person's private property, you better have clearance to carry that weapon or not have it concealed in many states ( think bride or groom getting ready ). Some states ban concealed carry on a premise with alcohol sales. Many ban it at places of worship. It''s not that cut and dry Gary.

Also, we are vendors. If a person with children sees you with a weapon protruding through your jacket at the reception as you are bending over to grab something, it could cause a stir. It is a little different than being out on your own- you are now a hired hand. Heck many times at a wedding reception I would grab a beer on my own. And legally, I am allowed to do so even as a contracted worker. Does that make it right, or worth it? In my opinion, no- I never drink on the job. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.



Jun 24, 2015 at 07:21 AM
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