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Archive 2015 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800

  
 
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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


Film had no banding of the grain.


May 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM
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My 5D II had. Started to become visible at ISO 6400 in dark areas. My 6D did not show any banding at ISO 25K. Can you detect any banding issues in "arbitrages" ISO 12.800 samples?

And again, yes: Grain adds a different athmosphere. But shoot a portrait at a fireplace in the night. You will be happy to have usable ISO 12.800 with less noise than ISO 800 film grain. And you can shoot it with 1/125th instead of 1/8th. Handheld. Without asking anybody please NOT to make any smallest move.



May 12, 2015 at 01:09 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


Looking at the 6400 ISO shots, I can see that the 5D3 has richer color, and it appears to have a bit more detail and contrast in the smaller tan branches/grassy material to the left (behind) the Eagle's head. The white feathers of the bird's head seems to be a bit more brilliant as well. That might be due to the slightly richer color of the 5.

Pretty impressed with that result from the 7D2 regardless.

Looks like in this case, the 12800 is for emergency purposes only. Well, not that bad, and it seriously depends on the amount of cropping necessary. It's pretty rough looking, though I'm sure that it could be cleaned up quite a bit.

I think I could use either the 7D2 or 5D3 shot in the circumstances you describe.



May 12, 2015 at 03:20 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


So the 5d3 isn't even a stop ahead of the 7dm2 at 6400?


May 13, 2015 at 10:41 AM
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I have both and had the 5D2 and 7D. I never really had issues pushing crops on my crop bodies - a lot. My FF's were always far better but I still found I preferred the crop for fps - if the light was good. I could never get used to cropping that much with my FF so each body has it's job - crop for sports and birding and FF for the rest. Even though I have no issues shooting low light with my crop and I can get great images but my FF is my go to body for that application. Wins hands down.

This is a great post because there is something I noticed with m7 7D2 that I don't think was quite as evident with my 7D. I call it a dirty look and by doing searches other people mentioned that same word. It really shows up on overcast days or areas of less light even if the exposure is OK. Comparison shots with in the same conditions with my 7D2 vs 5D3 shows edges looking far better on the 5D3.

So my question is what is this? Kinda black dirty looking stuff encroaching over the edge into the tree branch. Is this noise?



It has me fooled because it always looks black, no matter which colour it is. Several months ago I noticed this shooting green buses. Dirty looking with my 7D2 and clean with my 5D3. Overcast day and both exposures were the same.

I did not notice this as much with my 7D and just attributed this to the 7D2 with more MP was just more light hungry than my 7D. On bright day it is fine. I ETTR on the crop but I started blowing out highlights. The green bus was on an overcast day but not in the shade. I looked for an answer for a while then gave up. My guess is it just noise but it sure looks different to me than my 7D did.



May 13, 2015 at 11:12 AM
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Forgot to say. The branch looks noisy all over but this "dirty" look is always more evident along the edges.


May 13, 2015 at 11:15 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


sgilbert1967 wrote:
So the 5d3 isn't even a stop ahead of the 7dm2 at 6400?


Remember …

arbitrage wrote:
... 5D3 has to be cropped much more than the 7D2. Which would you choose in a focal length limited scenario like this eagle nest?


The 7D2 looks much better than its predecessor, but I'd still prefer a 5D3 + 1.4x on my 100-400 to regain reach in this situation. Action would be a different decision process.



May 13, 2015 at 11:24 AM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


Got you same situation for me I choose between my 70-200 2.8 IS II, 120-300 2.8, and the use of a 1.4x.....when going from my 7Dm2 to 5dm3.....I prefer to use the 7dm2 until 3200 but ive normally got enough reach with the 5dm3 and the 30002.8 ( not sure on my canon mount but the d750 with my 120-300 2.8 and 1.4x tele at F4 was still a bit ahead of the 7100 without tele at the same focal length even giving it the stop of light from f4 to 2.8 )




May 13, 2015 at 03:23 PM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


if a cropped 5D3 can hang with a 7D2, then why the 7D2 anyhow? You cant uncrop a photo, but you can get closer.


May 13, 2015 at 04:59 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


NCAndy wrote:
I think it comes down to the mirror box assembly for FPS. Everything is a built to a price point. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective.


Aside from the buffering capacity, isn't it the shutter mechanism that determines FPS rate. Doesn't the mirror flip up and stay out of the way while the shutter does it's thing in rapid fire mode? Or is the mirror flipping with each shot? I believe it's the former but I've never tried to shoot my camera without a lens mounted.



May 14, 2015 at 12:24 AM
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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


PetKal wrote:
Noise-wise those two cameras do not seem to be much different.
At ISO 6400 the 7DII picture looks a bit better to me.
At ISO 12800 it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.....I can't see any differences.


arbitrage wrote:
Yes the 7D2 holds its own because the 5D3 has to be cropped so much more. I rarely have to shoot at these ISOs but if I do, then I usually reach for a camera with an "X" on it


If you shoot from the same position and use the same focal length on both and crop FF to the same framing, you've just thrown away every advantage FF may have had over crop.



May 14, 2015 at 01:28 AM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


D.Hussey wrote:
It would be interesting to see a 1Dx thrown into a comparison like this to get an idea of whether its cost can be justified on its high ISO performance vs 7D's higher Mpx and comparable AF and fps


Here's a few from 1D X at 12800 and 20000, straight out of LR












May 14, 2015 at 05:11 AM
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Charlie N wrote:
but you can get closer.


Not always. I prefer full frame because I rarely find myself focal limited in my situations.



May 14, 2015 at 09:46 AM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


PetKal wrote:
Unfortunately, in order to get the max out of our gears, we end up using several compartmentilised cameras. I hope some day we'll have a 60+ MP FF camera which will be a Swiss knife of photography: great ISO noise control, ample FPS, superior AF, and intelligently done operator interface. And not too pricey either.


And then you will want the 128 MP FF switchable to 64 MP 1.6 crop. Some people are never satisfied

= Ed =



May 14, 2015 at 12:36 PM
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Edward Rotberg wrote:
And then you will want the 128 MP FF switchable to 64 MP 1.6 crop. Some people are never satisfied


A 128 MP full frame cropped to 1.6 would be only 50 MP, not 64.



May 14, 2015 at 04:17 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Here's a few from 1D X at 12800 and 20000, straight out of LR


Thanks!
Very impressive I must say.




May 14, 2015 at 07:44 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


1DX at 25600 and 51200












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