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Archive 2015 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800

  
 
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


You be the judge. FF vs crop. 5D3 has to be cropped much more than the 7D2. Which would you choose in a focal length limited scenario like this eagle nest?




5D3






7D2



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May 11, 2015 at 06:48 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


And at 12,800




5D3






7D2




May 11, 2015 at 06:54 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


Noise-wise those two cameras do not seem to be much different.
At ISO 6400 the 7DII picture looks a bit better to me.
At ISO 12800 it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.....I can't see any differences.



May 11, 2015 at 07:07 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


PetKal wrote:
Noise-wise those two cameras do not seem to be much different.
At ISO 6400 the 7DII picture looks a bit better to me.
At ISO 12800 it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.....I can't see any differences.


Yes the 7D2 holds its own because the 5D3 has to be cropped so much more. I rarely have to shoot at these ISOs but if I do, then I usually reach for a camera with an "X" on it



May 11, 2015 at 07:18 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


A very tough question, my eyes see a bit more detail in the 7D2 shot. The finer feathers around the beak, there is a parting of the feathers mid-back in the wing where there is some shadow and there seems more detail there but the noise is slightly higher.

The exception where the 5D3 seems better is in colors, there seems a bit more saturation in the eagles beak, the yellows are stronger and more pleasing to my eye. Otherwise both are acceptable images/crops

Cheers,
Jerry



May 11, 2015 at 07:31 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


Unfortunately, in order to get the max out of our gears, we end up using several compartmentilised cameras. I hope some day we'll have a 60+ MP FF camera which will be a Swiss knife of photography: great ISO noise control, ample FPS, superior AF, and intelligently done operator interface. And not too pricey either.


May 11, 2015 at 07:35 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


PetKal wrote:
Unfortunately, in order to get the max out of our gears, we end up using several compartmentilised cameras. I hope some day we'll have a 60+ MP FF camera which will be a Swiss knife of photography: great ISO noise control, ample FPS, superior AF, and intelligently done operator interface. And not too pricey either.


Almost makes me yearn for the days where we had one type of body that we held onto for a decade or more and changed film as needed to suit the particulars of the shoot....

Almost.



May 11, 2015 at 08:02 PM
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PetKal wrote:
Unfortunately, in order to get the max out of our gears, we end up using several compartmentilised cameras. I hope some day we'll have a 60+ MP FF camera which will be a Swiss knife of photography: great ISO noise control, ample FPS, superior AF, and intelligently done operator interface. And not too pricey either.


We will, but at that point there'll be a top notch 60MP crop camera with high fps and good ISO performance as well, leaving us in the exact same situation.



May 11, 2015 at 08:27 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


Seriously... If Canon had done a reasonably high-FPS (8-ish?) crop mode for the 5Ds, that MIGHT have been the single-body solution. It boggles the mind how you can throw away/ignore over 50% of the data and not gain a single FPS.


May 11, 2015 at 09:06 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


It would be interesting to see a 1Dx thrown into a comparison like this to get an idea of whether its cost can be justified on its high ISO performance vs 7D's higher Mpx and comparable AF and fps


May 11, 2015 at 09:14 PM
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pKai wrote:
Seriously... If Canon had done a reasonably high-FPS (8-ish?) crop mode for the 5Ds, that MIGHT have been the single-body solution. It boggles the mind how you can throw away/ignore over 50% of the data and not gain a single FPS.


I think it comes down to the mirror box assembly for FPS. Everything is a built to a price point. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective.



May 11, 2015 at 09:21 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


pKai wrote:
Seriously... If Canon had done a reasonably high-FPS (8-ish?) crop mode for the 5Ds, that MIGHT have been the single-body solution. It boggles the mind how you can throw away/ignore over 50% of the data and not gain a single FPS.


I know, what a waste. However, what we have discovered is the 5Ds actually doesn't throw away the data in RAW and only flags the crop for PP. In jpeg it does do the crop but who cares as its jpeg.



May 11, 2015 at 09:24 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


Arbitrage,
I really appreciate all the a-b comparisons you have done. One suggestion FWIW, consider smaller apertures so that when analyzing the different areas innyjbframe fornsharpness comparison, dof is more than enough to engolf the frame.



May 11, 2015 at 09:35 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


These are awesome. If I ever got close enough to snap a picture like this I would be shaking so violently from the excitement that I would need 12000 ISO so that I could get a fast enough shutter speed to get a sharp image.


May 11, 2015 at 09:48 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


NCAndy wrote:
I think it comes down to the mirror box assembly for FPS. Everything is a built to a price point. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective.


I don't think so... the 5D3 does 6fps at a decent price point..... 8 is not out of the question.




May 12, 2015 at 09:30 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


arbitrage wrote:
the 5Ds actually doesn't throw away the data in RAW and only flags the crop for PP.


I would love to meet the engineer at Canon that though this was a good idea.... and bitch-slap him right across the face with his framed diploma....



May 12, 2015 at 09:32 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


I do not know which camera shot which image (I'll go back and check after I post this--this is a genuine objective opinion), but the first image looks nosier in both these photos and I prefer the second. The difference was pretty extreme at ISO 6400, but closer at ISO 12800.


May 12, 2015 at 09:50 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


5D III at ISO 6.400 (but marginal imo), and 7D II at ISO 12.800 (again in my opinion). But without the direct compare I would not mind to use any of those cameras.
Incredible how far tech went already.

Not the best pic in focus and exposure time was long - but it might give an idea what was possible on film/color slide (ISO 1600 as far I remember) 30 years ago:

http://www.ralphconway.com/FM/Cordula_scan.jpg



May 12, 2015 at 11:33 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


The issue with looking at film in a digital format is you do not get the true film look.
You get the look of the film scanner sensor and film scanning software.
Of if a print is scanned the look of the flatbed scanner sensor and scanning software.




May 12, 2015 at 11:54 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 7D2 vs 5D3 at ISO 6400 and 12,800


Yes, of course. But have a look at the filmgrain and the loss of detail due it.
What todays digital cameras are able to catch is (again) in my opinion amazing.



May 12, 2015 at 12:31 PM
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