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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


I've been considering a longer portrait lens for quite a while now, but I already missed two opportunities to purchase the 70-200 F4 and I'm starting to think I might as well wait a little longer and save up for another portrait prime. I shoot on crop, but plan on going full frame. I also shoot a 35mm film EOS too. My other prime is 85 1.8.

So on the one hand 70-200 is cheaper and much more flexible and on the other hand the L primes are much faster but not so useful and the 135 /2 is twice the price of the 70-200 (I'm talking street price)



Apr 13, 2015 at 02:38 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


You already have an 85 1.8, one of the best portrait lenses available.




Apr 13, 2015 at 02:58 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


Yes. I do. I love it. I need something longer for more compression - something that covers the 135-200 mm range.


Apr 13, 2015 at 04:19 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


My all time fav, and biggest money earner is my 135L f2.0


Apr 13, 2015 at 04:43 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


I knew someone will bring up the 135...

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Apr 13, 2015 at 05:06 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


IMHO 135mm is way too long for portraits on a crop camera. I find it too long on full frame. Many don't agree.

135mm is an odd length and I think you really have to know you need it to invest in it. I did and I was wrong to do so.



Apr 13, 2015 at 05:10 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


I will probably rent the 135 and see if it works for me. I've already rented the 70-200 and I know it's pretty good for what Ineed, just mabe not fast enough but still fast enough. I'm more inclined to get the zoom , even if it's onlt F4. I will probably use it on film too, so it will be perfect portrait length/aperture combination there (full frame). I use the 85 in many situations and I also find it a tad too long on crop but still quite usable. I want a lens that will give me a more distinct look, with more compression and 3D look on the photo (sharp in focus area and smooth transition and background/foreground areas). The 85 is good at that, but it tends to have too much lateral CA (bokeh fringing) which looks a bit distracting in some situations. It doesn't show these when shot on film. It is excellent on film. I've just purchased an ektar roll just form my 85.


Apr 13, 2015 at 05:21 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


sasho_p wrote:
I will probably rent the 135 and see if it works for me. I've already rented the 70-200 and I know it's pretty good for what Ineed, just mabe not fast enough but still fast enough. I'm more inclined to get the zoom , even if it's onlt F4. I will probably use it on film too, so it will be perfect portrait length/aperture combination there (full frame). I use the 85 in many situations and I also find it a tad too long on crop but still quite usable. I want a lens that will give me a more
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Just remove the CA with one click in Lightroom (or whichever RAW converter you use)

I use a 100mm f2 at f2.2 and get lovely creamy out of focus backgrounds



Apr 13, 2015 at 05:27 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


Not so trivial to remove. I didn't make myself clear and it's my mistake. I meant the purple and green colors that appear in out of focus areas, not the common purple fringing in high contrast areas - I've learned to minimise that by shooting in more controlled lighting. Lens like the 70-200 are very well corrected in this regard. I actually tested a Sigma 70-200 2.8 (an old lens) and while it was too soft at 2.8 and had terrible CA, the bokeh was absolutely buttery smooth with no sign of fringing even in high contrast areas (tree branches). It seems it's very hard (and expensive) to make a lens that has soft and neutral OOF rendition while retaining sharp and defined image within the focal plane (ot shall I say the area of acceptable focus).


Apr 13, 2015 at 08:20 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


sasho_p wrote:
Not so trivial to remove. I didn't make myself clear and it's my mistake. I meant the purple and green colors that appear in out of focus areas, not the common purple fringing in high contrast areas - I've learned to minimise that by shooting in more controlled lighting. Lens like the 70-200 are very well corrected in this regard. I actually tested a Sigma 70-200 2.8 (an old lens) and while it was too soft at 2.8 and had terrible CA, the bokeh was absolutely buttery smooth with no sign of fringing even in high contrast areas (tree branches).
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The adjustable fringing tools in LR can easily remove those colour casts. CA is not a reason not to buy any lens these days.



Apr 13, 2015 at 08:51 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


I don't think the 70-200/f4 really compares to the 135/f2

Thus the twice the price argument is flawed.

Perhaps you could get a 200/2.8, that should be cheaper than 135 and actually a good comparison, but it's also really long.



Apr 13, 2015 at 09:30 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


kabraxcis wrote:
I don't think the 70-200/f4 really compares to the 135/f2



I don't agree. I have both the 135L and the 70-200 f4IS and of course the lenses don't compare at f2 or f2.8 but at f4 there isn't that much difference, plus the IS on the zoom is fantastic.

The 135L is a relatively elderly lens now and I think the newer zoom compares very favourably and is far more versatile



Apr 13, 2015 at 10:59 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


I'm getting the 70-200 F4 non IS. The IS version is quite expensive (totally worth it of course) and pretty close (price-wise) to the 70-200 2.8I and some of the nicer Tamron and Sigma 2.8 zooms. I know both 135 and 200 are old design and some people are telling me that they won't be sharp on crop at maximum aperture. I'm seriously thinking if I really need a new lens or a new (full frame) body, as I really love how the 85 looks on film, but it might be the film look that makes it so magical. Basically I'm thinking that in order to get a different look to my photos I might find a longer FL lens an useful tool. For the more casual shooting I'm planning to use my 85 1.8 and 30 1.4 which can be really good when used properly.


Apr 13, 2015 at 12:18 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Portrait prme vs. zoom on 100D


I missed a deal on a good used 70-200 and still haven't made a purchase. I also got two nice and cheap old manual lenses - the 50 1.8 Carl Zeiss Pancolar and the 135 3.5 Carl Zeiss Sonnar. I also rented a 50 1.4 and I'm now comparing it to the 50 1.8 pancolar. It is better, but not by much. The AF of course is a huge advantage. I'm more and more inclined to think that the 50mm will be much more useful for my needs than the 70-200. I really love the results I get from the 70-200 and really like how useful the 50mm is on my crop camera. It will be a hard decision to make.

You can take a look at my test and try to guess which is which https://www.flickr.com/photos/54600014@N03/sets/72157651903133888/



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