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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Rhine river advice


Will be taking a river cruise on the Rhine from Amsterdam to Basel, Switzerland. I will be taking my 7D Mark II. Would like advice on which lens(es) to take. I have the 10-22, 24-70 Mark II, 24-105, 70-200 IS ver 2, several primes and the 100-400. Any recommendations as to what to take and/or get additional lenses?

Thanks!



Mar 24, 2015 at 07:12 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Rhine river advice


Been there, done that but in the opposite direction.
I have also done Budapest to Amsterdam and three French river cruises.
For the crop 7DII, the 10-24 for sure. Lots of narrow streets and interiors.
The 24-105 unless you have a preference for the 24-70. Quite a few interiors of places on your tours can be dim so the IS is very useful.
70-200 if you have to get close to say, the Rhine Castles and other sights as you pass by while under way. Otherwise I found I did not use it much and I did not take it on shore excursions. The 100-400, save yourself the weight and leave it at home.
Primes, I'm sure some will advise you to take a fast prime for dim interiors but I found the IS of the 24-105 is a great equalizer.

A lot of what you will see involves walking tours so be careful to avoid making them miserable by hauling too much weight. My view was that I was on a vacation first and a photo expedition second.
Some venues may have restrictions on photography but usually your guides will let you know. One of the places in the Netherlands required camera gear to be checked into lockers, (you were given the key).
One thing I would not take is a tripod. Your will get left behind your group if you take the time to set up and more than a few venues prohibit them.

I think you will find it a fantastic way to see the country, we are not finished with river cruising.



Mar 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Rhine river advice


I Have all the cameras & lenses you mentioned above and taken them on 2 Danube cruises and found it all too heavy. From the ship you need wide angle on land inside the castle & building you need something for low light.

If you are unlucky you have only bad weather (Rain or dark sky) and low light condition the whole trip ( which I had on my last 2. Lucky me had taken a 2 Panasonic compact cameras.

One with a build in Leica F1.4 lens zoom 90 & compact f2.4 pocket for indoor darker places. Total weight 1/2 Lbs with beautiful images 95% keepers.



Mar 26, 2015 at 05:13 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Rhine river advice


I agree with nctemper, but it sounds like you are vested more in EF-based lenses. I would take the 10-22, the 70-200 IS (if its the f/4 version even better since it is better for hiking and traveling), and a decent 35 mm prime lens, maybe with a 12 mm Kenko tube just in case for some close-ups on the way. Those lenses should be sufficient to cover your trip.


Mar 26, 2015 at 07:40 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Rhine river advice


Thanks for all the replies. I will take the Canon 10-22. Two more questions, should I take the 70-200 2.8 IS ver 2 or the 70-200 F4 IS? Should I take the Tammy 17-50 2.8, the Canon 24-70 2.8 ver 2 or the 24-105 F4 IS?


Mar 28, 2015 at 11:33 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Rhine river advice


On these river cruises you will be in and out of a bus quite a few times on your shore excursions so the amount of gear you are hauling around can become tiresome/cumbersome.
A 70-200 can be useful but my experience has been that I used it essentially when the ship was on the move and you wanted to take something on the shore. The section of the Rhine with the vineyards and castles in particular.
For that purpose the f/2.8 will probably not get you anything that the F/4 could not do.
I have experience only with the 24-105 of the other lenses you mention and the IS was very useful in lower light situations. If I recall the 10-22 does not have IS. You will end up in a fair number of places where lighting is low, (cathedrals EG.), and for me the IS was very useful.
I found I was switching between the 10-22 and the 24-105 with very little use of much else, that was with an APS-C body. I now would take my 5D III, 24-105, I also have a 17-40 and a 70-300 L but the 70-300L does not get much use on river cruises. Come to think of itv the 17-40 does not get that much use. IMO the 24-105 or equivalent range is very versatile.

This might get me into trouble so please forgive me if I sound like I am lecturing here but so many of these "What lenses/gear should I take to xxx" threads end up sounding a bit like a photo assignment primarily rather than a vacation. I thought a bit about that when my wife commented that I must have seen everything through a viewfinder, she had a point.

PS. I now have a Fuji X-E2 for walking excursions and at the end of a full day it makes a difference and the IQ and portability is excellent.



Mar 28, 2015 at 12:36 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Rhine river advice


As mentioned, been there, done that. Unless you're birding the 100-400 won't see much use.

From the boat, getting pics of the castles, the f4 will be as much as yo need, so leave the 70-200 f2.8 home.

Some places you;ll visit won't allow photos, those that do will be dim. So lightweight, wide and fast on the interiors.

And keep a handy cloth in your pocket or gear bag, to wipe off the filter.



Mar 31, 2015 at 01:21 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Rhine river advice


PatrickSweeney wrote:
"From the boat, getting pics of the castles, the f4 will be as much as yo need, so leave the 70-200 f2.8 home."

Pat, I just thought that the castles would be some distance from the boat that the 100-400 would be a good one to take. I like the idea of the 70-200 F4 IS. Nice and light weight.



Mar 31, 2015 at 06:48 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Rhine river advice


Let me dig out a photo I took as a demonstration.


Apr 01, 2015 at 02:27 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Rhine river advice


PatrickSweeney wrote:
Let me dig out a photo I took as a demonstration.


Thanks Pat. Looking forward to seeing the pic. Again, if I don't have to take the 100-400, it will make my camera and lens load much easier to carry.



Apr 01, 2015 at 02:54 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Rhine river advice


Lotuselite, NC temper and Retrofocus, I appreciate your sage advice and will use it to make my selection as to what to take.



Apr 01, 2015 at 02:59 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Rhine river advice


OK, assuming I remember how to do this, here's my 15-85 on my 7D, with the exif telling me I shot it at 70mm;







Apr 01, 2015 at 04:15 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Rhine river advice


PatrickSweeney wrote:
OK, assuming I remember how to do this, here's my 15-85 on my 7D, with the exif telling me I shot it at 70mm;


Pat, is this pic cropped? If not, then my 70-200 is ample enough to take as far as the zooms go. Also, was this Castle about the typical distance of any of the Castles as taken from the boat? Thanks




Apr 01, 2015 at 06:20 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Rhine river advice


No crop, full size, and typical of the castles along the way.

Some were further, but not out of the reach of a 200.



Apr 02, 2015 at 10:07 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Rhine river advice


PatrickSweeney wrote:
No crop, full size, and typical of the castles along the way.

Some were further, but not out of the reach of a 200.


Thanks Pat. Based on your experiences, I will not take the 100-400.



Apr 02, 2015 at 10:12 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Rhine river advice


I went back an looked at my river cruise photos for lens use. Far and away the 24-105 was the lens I used on both APS-C and FF.
With my 5DIII I used a 70-300L a fair bit from the ship when underway and I also used it around the Normandy beaches. Other than that, 10-22 EFS and 17-40 L and as I said the 24-105. The 70-200 F/4 L will be fine from the deck and if you still want to cover bases a 1.4TC will do fine on the 70-200.
I'm sure you will enjoy your trip, it is a great way to see things, and you only have to unpack once



Apr 02, 2015 at 12:28 PM
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Lotuselite wrote:
I went back an looked at my river cruise photos for lens use. Far and away the 24-105 was the lens I used on both APS-C and FF.
With my 5DIII I used a 70-300L a fair bit from the ship when underway and I also used it around the Normandy beaches. Other than that, 10-22 EFS and 17-40 L and as I said the 24-105. The 70-200 F/4 L will be fine from the deck and if you still want to cover bases a 1.4TC will do fine on the 70-200.
I'm sure you will enjoy your trip, it is a
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Lotuselite...thanks for the reply. Based on all the replies to date, it looks like I will take the 7DMk 2, the 10-22, Tammy 17-50 2.8 (for lowlight interior shots), the 24-105 and the 70-200 f4L IS (also will be taking the Canon TC 1.4X III).



Apr 02, 2015 at 12:43 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Rhine river advice


Having just come back from a circumnavigation of South America (well, three-quarters of it) and realizing I packed too much, here's an extra bit of advice; leave the 24-105 at home.

The gap between the Tamron and the 70-200 is not something to bother with.

The ships don't go fast, and you have time to go back to the cabin to change lenses, if you don't just take your bag up top with you.



Apr 02, 2015 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Rhine river advice


I did not realise you had the F/2.8 Tamron. I agree with Patrick the 24-105 and the Tamron are quite an overlap. I think the Tamron is the more versatile coverage although speaking for myself I found the IS for interiors very useful, however the F/2.8 is an equaliser. Flip a coin, I think you will be fine either way.


Apr 02, 2015 at 04:26 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Rhine river advice


Godfreyz,

This wasn't from the boat, but this is Passau in the morning fog







Apr 06, 2015 at 08:01 PM
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