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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


Background: I have been editing on a Dell 24" for the last 2-3 years.
I would say.... 90-100+ weddings edited. Add e-sessions too.

Recently, I upgraded to the Dell U2713H.
I will upgrade graphics card so I can have 10bit color depth. (10 bit color is another topic in itself)

I just completed my first editing of a wedding.

WOW .... hello blurry shots.
What the heck is going on?

This was a culled wedding so I am just editing to a baseline for my client.

Really brought to my attention, the skill for shooting telephoto lens ... like the 85, 100 and 135 focal length.
Granted this is wedding day shooting so there is a need for speed. But still.
I would down size the image and it would look okay.
But using most of the screen in LR (develop module with side panels open) and on a 27" monitor....

Some motion blur or a little is not a bad thing, but on group shots or shots with flash providing the light and a shutter speed of 1/160 or 1/200?!?!?

I was not expecting this to happen.

Also the distortion on the wide side (16-35mm). Even movement from poor shooting technique is see here too.


This has me thinking.....

What did you notice the first time you used a monitor 27" or larger?
How did it impact your shooting technique?


-Mark





Mar 09, 2015 at 10:14 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


Do you like it, in general?


Mar 09, 2015 at 10:16 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


So there's room for improvement in your technique...

Not into weddings, but I like to stay off a tripod as much as possible for the freedom in movement and perspective, I made a decision a few years ago to upgrade my lenses to VR (IS in the Canon world) It's improved my street photography substantially. I still have my camera set in auto ISO for the 1/focal length for the shutter speed.

Also, keep that old monitor. The new one can be used to edit your images while the old one is used for dealing with histograms, edit history, color palette, tool settings, etc. displaying windows where color and bit depth aren't important.



Mar 09, 2015 at 10:34 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


Not meaning to be too cynical, but do you think your clients will give a hoot?


Mar 09, 2015 at 11:09 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


evertdoorn wrote:
Do you like it, in general?


Evertdoom,
Overall yes.
I needed to get use to the resolution.
The 24" was pushed over and replaced a 22".
So I can still do comparisons.

I am really liking editing in adobe98 gamut.
Love the color rendering. Now I want all my images to be viewed like this.
First time hardware calibration user. (as appose to graphic cards (software) calibration.)
The Dell 2713H uses LUT.
I purchased the Xrite calibration that is the only calibration tool which will work with the Dell.

I am working through this workflow and how to use/implement.

It is not all rosy.
Some album companies will use adobe98 and others only sRGB.
An example, Finao is only sRGB.

I even asked if they would use adobe98 jpeg with an up-charge. No joy.

For web images, all 3 major (Chrome, IE and firefox) web browser can detect and render adobe98 gamut.
The down side is on the mobile side - sRGB only.

Overall, I am able to see more in the default viewing (no zooming needed).
This will push me to refine my shooting technique.
This is a good thing.

Honestly, right out of the box I was a little disappointed because of the smaller font, etc.
I did increase font size but it looked weird.
I also felt lost because of questions I have in the workflow and I am finding limitations in how images are being viewed. (web/print)

But after editing 3800 images for a wedding, as I reviewed the results...
I noticed really consistent colors (WB/tint) ...this was with 2 shooter and 3 cameras... 1DX/5DmkIII/5DmkII.
There was quite a bit of high ISO (4000+ - 1DX) and pushing over a stop for proper exposure -5DmkII.

Bigger viewing area is a plus and what I wanted. This came through in the editing.

For me, I am learning how to use this monitor to extract the best for my editing services and my own wedding coverage.
It is making me look through the entire workflow, especial color rendering and presentation.

-Mark








Mar 09, 2015 at 11:13 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


Mark,

Thanks for the write up on this! A new monitor is something that will probably happen for me this year and this Dell 27 just landed in my Amazon Wish List. I am doing most of my editing on my MBP because my desktop monitor has such a lousy view angle and sad color range.



Mar 09, 2015 at 11:29 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


ricardovaste wrote:
Not meaning to be too cynical, but do you think your clients will give a hoot?


Great question.

Clients, for the most part could care less how you edit or what you edit with.
It is the final product that matters. Was the clients expectations met or exceeded?

This is a tool to help us do my(our) job.

As a professional:
Editing service: Yes, I do not want to be the weakest link in another photographers workflow.
Plus, I want to provide the best possible product - consistent work.

Wedding photographer clients: If this helps me become a better photographer, it will show.
It can show in confidence, consistency, knowledge of the craft ... little thing that can add up as added value to a client.

-Mark













Mar 09, 2015 at 11:34 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


Ziffl3 wrote:
Some album companies will use adobe98 and others only sRGB.
An example, Finao is only sRGB.

I even asked if they would use adobe98 jpeg with an up-charge. No joy.


Print at lab of your choice and then ship prints to Finao for binding, they will work that way. It will slow down the turn around from Finao.



Mar 09, 2015 at 12:25 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


I don't get it, 100% is 100% no matter what size the screen? Is this one 4k and the old one not?

I don't understand 24 or 27" screens other than cost either. 16:9 is not at all like 3:2 while 16:10 from a 32" is.



Mar 09, 2015 at 04:22 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Eye open experience: upgraded from 24"->27" monitor


Mark,
I don't spend a lot of time at 100%.
With a bigger screen you can just see more with out having to zoom in.

While 24 to 27" does not seem all that different. I agree.
The resolution is a little higher: 2560 x 1440 (dell 2713H) vs 1920x1080 (2412M)

When I started using the monitor ... my view changed.
I was/am surprised at the additional real estate provided in-terms of viewing information.
We know the HW color calibration... but i was not expecting to see more finer detail/blurry images at standard view.

So this got me thinking about shooting technique, etc...
I know on the MAC side quite a few have the 27" or 30" monitors.
I am not sure on the PC side.

I threw this thread out there when the first time you stepped up to a 27"/30" monitor.
Did it help you improve your shooting?

-Mark



Mar 09, 2015 at 06:34 PM





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