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Archive 2015 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.

  
 
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


How is the color rendition of the Sigma 35 1.4 Art and the Nikon 35 1.4G on a D810? I know that the Sigma is supposed to be sharper, but I wonder which lens has richer color and more contrast... I gave up on a mid-zoom after 4 bad samples of the 24-70/2.8G. After 4 bad samples of the 14-24 and 2 bad samples of the 70-200/4, I finally have the extreme focal lengths covered, but need a mid focal length lens.

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Jan 16, 2015 at 04:56 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


It's unusual to encounter that many bad samples, even a f/4 lens. I double @f/1.4 if you can get a good sample at all.


Jan 16, 2015 at 05:50 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


No offense but are you sure the lenses were the problem?

I've never shot the 35 1.4g I had the art 35 and 50 with my 800e. Great lenses.



Jan 16, 2015 at 06:16 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


I would say it's almost impossible to get that many bad in a row. That's not normal, are you buying from a good vendor?

Both 35mm should,be great, I give the edge to the sigma great lens.



Jan 16, 2015 at 06:32 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


I use the Sigma 35mm f1.4 A on a D800E, and I have to say this is without a doubt the best lens I've ever owned, and I own lenses as old as an 1845 Ross Petzval. Nikon is in trouble if they can't start matching these lenses. As for your 24-70mm, I agree that there might be something else wrong if four of them didn't work for you.


Kent in SD



Jan 16, 2015 at 06:41 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


Dr88man wrote:
How is the color rendition of the Sigma 35 1.4 Art and the Nikon 35 1.4G on a D810? I know that the Sigma is supposed to be sharper, but I wonder which lens has richer color and more contrast... I gave up on a mid-zoom after 4 bad samples of the 24-70/2.8G. After 4 bad samples of the 14-24 and 2 bad samples of the 70-200/4, I finally have the extreme focal lengths covered, but need a mid focal length lens.

Thanks


I would be looking for issues with the camera and/or the person behind the camera long before I got to my 10th(!!!) consecutive bad lens sample . That is so incredibly unlikely that it is nearly impossible - sample variation isn't nearly that bad. There had to be something else going on.



Jan 16, 2015 at 06:44 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


I would say that the 35/1.4G has a more subtle rendering, and I prefer the colors. The 35 Art is sharper and seems to have more micro contrast to my eye. I'd say the Nikon isn't worth the extra cash, but it depends on your needs. If you're concerned with rendering and contrast, I'd also take a look at the ZF.2 1.4/35.

Josh



Jan 16, 2015 at 06:50 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


I've never heard of a 14-24 bad sample, let alone 4 with the same user!


Jan 16, 2015 at 06:50 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


I can't possibly fathom testing and rejecting that many lenses.

At f/1.4, I'd be surprised if you found one to your liking.

A friend and I compared the two 35mm lenses (his Nikon, my Sigma) and found the color and contrast to be pretty similar. It was fairly rough testing, more to get an idea if there was a big difference, but since no big difference was found, he unloaded his Nikon, picked up a Sigma, and pocketed the difference



Jan 16, 2015 at 06:54 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


Yeah there is no way you got that many stinkers in a row. Something else was definitely amiss there.


Jan 16, 2015 at 07:08 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


have you gone thru any reviews on the web? I'd expect them to cover this topic


Jan 16, 2015 at 07:09 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


Thanks for the responses. I am glad that there's no difference in color for the Sigma and Nikon 35s.

The kit consisted of D810, 14-24/2.8, 24-70/2.8G, and 70-200/4. I first bought from B&H, ran out of time to exchange, so I had to return entire kit. Then bought from Adorama so they were running same sale. Problems included uneven resistance in the zoom ring twice (14-24) and sharp, or smooth zoom ring and slightly unsharp, decentering (24-70), soft center/corner to f8 (24-70), sharp at f5.6 and not sharp at f8 (70-200), on and on... In hindsight, I should have kept the first sample of 24-70, but wasn't expecting that much field of curvature intrinsic to the lens design.

I've been pixel peeping since Thanksgiving and hope to never look at a photo at 100% ever again! Tests were done on two D810 bodies. Fortunately, my dealers are the best in the business for this kind of situation. My current samples of the 14-24 and 70-200/4 are excellent. For aerial photographs center/corner sharpness is critical and that's why I went with a high MP camera system, otherwise I've been a Canon shooter for 35+ years. I might even consider using my Canon 5D and a 24-105/4 (sharp sample), and Nikon for 14-24 and 70-200.

As for the 24-70, I'd be happy if I could get a excellent center and very good corners. But, the 24-35 end seems worse than the 50-70 end for this lens.

I finally made a plate and tilted ruler assembly to check for back/front focus issues for any new lens from now on. I wasn't doing this earlier since I never had to do it on my 5D1. So much for technology... The 14-24 and 70-200 focus well. Besides, how does one fine tune focus for a zoom lens? What if there are focus differences at 24mm vs 70mm?...

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Jan 16, 2015 at 08:16 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


zoom lenses are almost impossible to fine tune. if i get 24mm spot on, then 70mm is way off, etc...

unless ofc its user error.



Jan 16, 2015 at 08:21 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


If sharpness is that critical, consider shoot a couple primes. They should out perform all your pro zooms. We'll, maybe not the 14-24.


Jan 16, 2015 at 08:23 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


I absolutely love my 35 1.4 g. It's very sharp wide open, super sharp @f/2 and down, the color and bokeh are wonderful, it nails the focus on my D3's, it's built and feels like a Ferrari. Although I have the 24-70 and 70-200 2.8, the 35 and 85 1.4g are quickly becoming my favorite lenses.







Jan 16, 2015 at 10:35 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


In my half a century of photography and also working on photographic equipment including optical design and manufacturing, I have never seen so many defects in a row. Not even standing behind operators and QC inspectors as an auditor for all the companies you can think of. If that was the case those companies would have been long gone.
I can assure you that is either user's fault or just trolling with just 10 posts here without a proper profile.
If you look at all my posts, I can predict and help users here to sort out their problems or foretold an issue or advancement months or years ahead before the actual products were released.
A few examples are: the cost of sensors not in the thousand dollars range but rather in the tens or hundreds; focusing is faster with IS/OS/VR on lens than on sensor; FF cameras going for $1600 range when it was at $3000 at the time; 12 MPixel on a FF will never out resolve any good lenses made even in the 70's. Nyquist frequency is NOT the limiting factor to the resolution and size of the pixel, but is rather that we were not able to generate a frequency higher than that to test it with the equipment we have at the moment. Just like initially people said that it is not possible to collect more light through the area of the pixel not knowing that designers can use micro lenses on it to increase the surface area without increasing the pixel area. A 3D spherical surface on top of a 2D square surface will always be larger. Also there will always be defective pixels, memory locations, transistors or FETs on semiconductors, no matter how good is the 6 Sigma quality. And many, many more...



Jan 16, 2015 at 11:42 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


I can imagine that buying from shop that has great return policy, but resells returns as new can cause significant accumulation of bad copies. Similarly on used market, there would be bigger ratio of bad lenses to ok lenses than the same ratio for lenses leaving factory.

As for rendering of these lenses, I have only considered getting Sigma 35/1.4 because of price, but I kind of dislike its bokeh at larger focus distances.

Using random samples from flickr:
For close focus bokeh is smooth enough: https://www.flickr.com/photos/_westy_/8692272159/in/photostream/
For larger distances it is busy: https://www.flickr.com/photos/prodigy83/15004948281
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pal1/14150527935

That said 35/1.8G is not better in bokeh. But I guess 35/1.4G could be.

See what affects bokeh:
http://jtra.cz/stuff/essays/bokeh/index.html



Jan 17, 2015 at 03:19 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


Go with Sigma and let them take the hit. Spread the pain around.


Jan 17, 2015 at 09:53 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


sandycrane wrote:
Go with Sigma and let them take the hit. Spread the pain around.


Thanks - that really did make me lol



Jan 17, 2015 at 10:21 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Sigma 35 1.4 Art vs Nikon 35 1.4G: Color Rendering, Contrast.


jtra wrote:
I can imagine that buying from shop that has great return policy, but resells returns as new can cause significant accumulation of bad copies. Similarly on used market, there would be bigger ratio of bad lenses to ok lenses than the same ratio for lenses leaving factory.


I totally agree with all your above statements, but the OP said that he got them from both Adorama and B&H which are two of the reputable online outlets which I really doubt will do it to incur additional postage cost and at the same time ruin their image.

jtra wrote:
See what affects bokeh:
http://jtra.cz/stuff/essays/bokeh/index.html


Thanks Jakub for the effort and great work for putting all this together for those who are interested in bokeh.
It would have been better if you can add in a common reference line for the sensor plane for comparison purposes.
Also for your corrected element surface, you can add in the label as Aspherical surface or element.
Than lastly I noticed that you have a typo error for contact detection instead of contrast detection for your Apodization element / filter section.

Edited on Jan 18, 2015 at 06:54 AM · View previous versions



Jan 18, 2015 at 12:40 AM
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