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This is how I handle lens flare - I do it all the time with my 14-24




Dec 27, 2014 at 05:46 PM
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Steve Perry wrote:
This is how I handle lens flare - I do it all the time with my 14-24



Sweet and simple. Nice tip! A lens you've clearly learned to tame.



Dec 27, 2014 at 06:58 PM
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Steve Perry wrote:
This is how I handle lens flare - I do it all the time with my 14-24



Thanks, Steve. That's brilliant!



Dec 27, 2014 at 07:45 PM
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While the 14-24 occupies an extremely usable space, I wasn't overly impressed with it for my use. While very good especially considering what it is (i.e. a zoom that is somewhat reasonably priced), I never felt it was 'the best of the best' there are better performing options out there, but they'll come at a price.

my problems with the 14-24 were:
1) flare (combatable, as shown, but still a PITA to deal with at times, and sometimes small flare can go unnoticed in the field making post production time and effort much more extensive than it otherwise would be)
2) lack of filter support (some filters available but come at a high price and limited availability and quality)
3) CA - an common issue with ultrawides, and at least in my copy the CA was noticeably worse than some of the other lens options in the ultrawide range that I have experience with.
4) mediocre to good but not stellar IQ performance on the 20+mm range compared to other options available, especially in corners and larger apertures
5) Great IQ performance below 20mm but heavy with field curvature/distortion(understandable in the ultrawide range, but not an ideal quality and there are better performing options), corner performance while still good compared to most other ultrawides, wasn't the best contender.
6) IQ performance wide open, while good and better than many others below 20mm, is not the best around (IQ above 20mm not the best as noted above, many better options available)
7) focus shift problems
8) personal preference for MF with wide and ultra wide, and MF feel an quality in most AF lenses including the 14-24 is severely lacking
9) Build quality is great, but not on the same level as other options i.e. Zeiss
10) only f2.8, and while there are VERY few options for faster lenses in the sub 24mm range (none of which I own, though I continually wish my wides/ultrawides were faster). the old sigma 20 f1.8 and new Nikon 20 f1.8 are the only Nikon usable lenses in this range that I can think of, and out of those 2, the Nikon would be the only one I'd buy (unless siggy comes out with an updated Art version that falls into the quality of their other art lenses perhaps)
11) EDIT- forgot this one, TERRIBLE lens cap. I hated that thing.

obviously some of my gripes with the 14-24 are simply personal preference stuff, others are understandable given the focal range, and some are more of an issue than others, when you're looking at sub 24mm wides and ultrawides you kindof have to choose where you'll compromise. So to me the 14-24 isn't the cream of the crop but rather a very very good option at a somewhat reasonable price given that you can compromise on those areas that it is less than stellar at...For me it wasn't what I really wanted and I could not compromise on a few of the 14-24's issues, I found the combination of the Zeiss 15 and 21 to be far better for me for a number of reasons, however going with the ZF's was also a significantly more expensive route to go. Others love their 14-24, and produce fantastic images with it, and rightly so.

again before jumping into something I'd recommend looking at renting a few options and seeing if they are for you or not.



Dec 27, 2014 at 08:45 PM
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Aloicious wrote:
While the 14-24 occupies an extremely usable space, I wasn't overly impressed with it for my use. While very good especially considering what it is (i.e. a zoom that is somewhat reasonably priced), I never felt it was 'the best of the best' there are better performing options out there, but they'll come at a price.

my problems with the 14-24 were:
1) flare (combatable, as shown, but still a PITA to deal with at times, and sometimes small flare can go unnoticed in the field making post production time and effort much more extensive than it otherwise would be)
2) lack of
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The 15mm sounds exciting even more so with ability to use the Lee system.

Would be great if you could share some pictures you've taken with it. It's definitely a specialist lens.



Dec 28, 2014 at 12:32 AM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Primes enough for wide end on Landscape?


samyang 14mm is only bested by the 14-24. I use the 14-24mm lens profile in ACR for the 14mm to help with the distortion (when needed). For $300 (or whatever), it can't be beat. It is full manual, but AF is worthless for landscapes anyways, and who uses AF for landscapes?

For the record, I upgraded from the 14mm for the 14-24, and have only used the 14-24 in mf mode.



Dec 28, 2014 at 01:04 AM
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davewolfs wrote:
The 15mm sounds exciting even more so with ability to use the Lee system.

Would be great if you could share some pictures you've taken with it. It's definitely a specialist lens.


it by itself isn't really a specialist lens (like say, a CP.2 cine lens or something really made as a specialist lens), its just a top notch ultrawide prime, but it's price alone definitely pushes it into that specialist type area.

IMO the 15 zf.2 is the best ultrawide made that is usable on Nikon across the board (expect in cases where AF or zoom are needed), it beats the 14-24, it beats the 14f2.8D, rokinon, etc....the only area I've found it to be behind the others in is vignetting across the board, but that doesn't bother me much, I'd rather deal with a little more vignette than lower IQ or focus shift, field curvature, etc...and of course it doesn't have any AF, and no zoom either.

however in the sub 20mm range, the 14-24 would probably come in second place in my book in terms of IQ, the rokinon would be a strong contender too if price was the main factor for whomever is comparing them.

above 20mm there are a vast number of better, cheaper, faster, higher IQ lenses than the 14-24, for example: the 21/2,8 ZF.2, the Nikon 20 f1.8, the 24 f1.4G, the 24 PC-E, 25/2.0 ZF.2 (ok, so that's a 25mm, but it's close enough to compare with)...I wouldn't be surprised if Zeiss ends up bringing out a world class 24mm otus, and sigma with a close 24 art someday too. Above 20mm is where the 14-24 is a real compromise. but every lens will be some kind of compromise in one way or another.

I actually liked my 14-24 to a certain extent when I had it but I didn't find it lived up to they hype, and I simply found something that worked better for me.



Dec 28, 2014 at 04:29 AM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Primes enough for wide end on Landscape?


That's an interesting technique. I'm all thumbs!
Thanks for posting it.



Dec 28, 2014 at 07:34 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Primes enough for wide end on Landscape?


Keep in mind the 14-24 smokes every Zeiss lens on a rainy day - unless you want to spend time trying to dry out your glass (been there, done that too many times - that's why you won't find any Zeiss in my bag anymore). Oh - this applies to misty waterfalls too.

To the OP - if you're really set on a prime, I'd say the 20mm Nikon would be the best choice, maybe with a Samyang 14mm to help. Personally, I wouldn't want the 6mm gap, but to each his own.



Dec 28, 2014 at 10:03 AM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Primes enough for wide end on Landscape?


Steve Perry wrote:
Keep in mind the 14-24 smokes every Zeiss lens on a rainy day - unless you want to spend time trying to dry out your glass (been there, done that too many times - that's why you won't find any Zeiss in my bag anymore). Oh - this applies to misty waterfalls too.

To the OP - if you're really set on a prime, I'd say the 20mm Nikon would be the best choice, maybe with a Samyang 14mm to help. Personally, I wouldn't want the 6mm gap, but to each his own.


I had initially thought prime because it was cheap and thought I could get away with the 20mm. I wanted to avoid the 14-24mm because of filters and size. The reality though is that the 16-35mm isn't light either.

After doing some research the 14-24mm seems that it can work quite well with a Nisi holder and Haida makes some very good quality NDs.

Between Steves videos and this blog post http://www.achim-sieger.de/en/filters-on-the-nikon-af-s-nikkor-14-24-mm-128g-ed/ I'm not so sure anymore that ruling out the 14-24mm is the best idea!

I appreciate the comments on the Zeiss but feel like it might be too much lens for me. I'd probably reconsider if I found myself continually using the 15mm focal length!

Tough choices but it's nice to have them!




Dec 28, 2014 at 01:36 PM
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davewolfs wrote:
I had initially thought prime because it was cheap and thought I could get away with the 20mm. I wanted to avoid the 14-24mm because of filters and size. The reality though is that the 16-35mm isn't light either.

After doing some research the 14-24mm seems that it can work quite well with a Nisi holder and Haida makes some very good quality NDs.

Between Steves videos and this blog post http://www.achim-sieger.de/en/filters-on-the-nikon-af-s-nikkor-14-24-mm-128g-ed/ I'm not so sure anymore that ruling out the 14-24mm is the best idea!

I appreciate the comments on the Zeiss but feel like it might be too much
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Dave -

Did you see this video?



It's my review of the wonderpana system - still lovin' it, and it's relatively affordable.



Dec 28, 2014 at 03:05 PM
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Steve Perry wrote:
Keep in mind the 14-24 smokes every Zeiss lens on a rainy day - unless you want to spend time trying to dry out your glass (been there, done that too many times - that's why you won't find any Zeiss in my bag anymore). Oh - this applies to misty waterfalls too.

To the OP - if you're really set on a prime, I'd say the 20mm Nikon would be the best choice, maybe with a Samyang 14mm to help. Personally, I wouldn't want the 6mm gap, but to each his own.


yeah, I usually have some weather protection for the lenses with me when I go out, but like I said, to each their own. the 14-24 just wasn't for me. I'm not trying to sell anyone on anything, or detour people from anything either, just providing my experience with them since I've been through the "what should I get" phase within this focal range myself. I'd love to try out the 20 1.8, it has me intrigued.



Dec 28, 2014 at 11:37 PM
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Steve Perry wrote:
Dave -

Did you see this video?



It's my review of the wonderpana system - still lovin' it, and it's relatively affordable.


I did. My concern is that it would be difficult to use with regular ND filters eg 10 stop. It would be nice if they made square ND's as it would be a lot easier to slip out prior to composing.



Dec 29, 2014 at 10:17 AM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Primes enough for wide end on Landscape?


It seems there is a better alternative to 14-24 coming.

http://photorumors.com/2014/12/18/tamron-sp-15-30mm-f2-8-di-vc-usd-model-a012-lens-pricing-and-availability-announced/




Dec 29, 2014 at 10:31 AM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Primes enough for wide end on Landscape?


Another pretender to the throne...


Dec 29, 2014 at 10:33 AM
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What about the 16-35mm f4? It seems pretty good value for money. Maybe not quite as sharp as some of the others, but isn't that a little academic even with an 810?

J.



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