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finover9 wrote:
Hello everyone,
Thank you Don, for giving me a chance to explain myself. After 2 phone calls with Don, I admit that I don’t have hard evidence like Don has to prove anything. I realize the end result and will not stress out both parties. By the time I am done posting this comment. I will transfer shipping money to Don to ship the camera back to me and I have 1 favor to ask Don which I will state below. Don please acknowledge and confirm the payment here. FMers, please read it through before reply we could use your knowledge and experience to solve this.
I am amateur and not professional. Eventho, I think I know the basic of how to take photo and test camera gear to certain degree, Thank you Fredmiranda and internet.
First I would like to go over my gear. I have D90(5 years 6k shots) with Tokina11-16 mm, Nikor 18-200 mm, Nikor 85 mm f1.8, 50 mm f1.8(not shown in the picture. Lend to a friend) and SB-600 since 2009. Please see pic below
https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/1888913_487852868022933_1845133248241676982_o.jpg
And here is Canon gears that I bought to test the camera. Below are the receipts from B&H
https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/l/t1.0-9/1157387_487852864689600_4333537927711943824_n.jpg?oh=fd2dfbe22d8cb1bc06144bb69c5d4941&oe=54F3F6CB
And here is some of the photo I took with D90 to show you that I know the basic of how to take photo and post process (to certain degree. I am still amateur and much to learn.) I know gear is not as important as a photographer but to make a master piece, I think it is a combination of both (off topic.) I really like the photo from Canon (the color) from what I have seen on the web and decided to go with Canon for my FF.
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/l/t1.0-9/1546381_339759849498903_332831662_n.jpg?oh=39add6edf0e54d62302c798f50c4ac97&oe=54AA7228
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https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10153080_487853938022826_6793325381534859404_n.jpg?oh=8d25f12735f433af0a5f6a3e28c35b4d&oe=54E6A8CA
I can take good photo from my current gear, the Nikon. I dont think an upgrade to FF and using Canon will dramatically make my photo look fantastic and beautiful but I believe it will improve my photo in some way and would like to try that myself (try to get into ski and snowboard photography). My point is. if I had an event or wedding to shoot (I am not an event or wedding photographer, I do landscape you can check my facebook page https://www.facebook.com/InitialAB and getting into ski and snowboard photography) It would make more sense to use my current Nikon gear over freshly bought Canon 5D MKII with 50mm f1.8. Eventho, 5D MK II is a much better camera, I am not use to Canon ergonomics yet (especially the focusing.) IMHO, I think to do those kind of event and wedding photography, knowing how to use your camera is more important than using a better camera in this case D90 (5 years) over 5D MKII(3 days with single lens). Again this is just my word I don’t have any prove and I already accepted the fact.
From my knowledge I know enough to inspect camera before I actually use it. If I already know that the sensor is not spotless and there are things that I don’t like. I know I want to return it, why would I risk adding 500 shots knowing that Don will check the shutter count because it is in our agreement and go through all this. It is definitely not Don’s fault. He is a great guy. He even created this thread to give me a chance to tell my side of story. He doesn’t have to do all this since I sent him money using Paypal gift. But he still did and I really appreciated. So, the only question I have is how 500 shots just show up? Could there be error somewhere? Anyone has this kind of experience before? Please share. Like I said I don’t want to create any problem to Don and myself so I will send him shipping money to ship the camera back to me but first I would like to hear FMers’ opinion.
This is a favor that I mentioned above.
- I would like Don to take photo using the 5D MK II without lens and CF card today (Friday the 31st) – 3 clicks (3 photos ) then turn it off.
- On Saturday the 1st – 2 clicks with lens and CF card then may be play around with liveview for 30 second and play around with focus but don’t take any picture then turn it off.
- May be Sunday night you can run the camera through the app and report the shutter here and you can ship the camera back to me on Monday. So the final shutter count should be 3847
This was exactly what I did to the camera. Regarding whatever the result , I will respect it.
Thank you for your time and your help. Any suggestion is welcome.
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It's good to see you guys are having a friendly dialog about the issue. Regarding the technical specifics of the shutter count on Canon bodies - Canon cameras maintain an internal shutter counter that is accessible on most models by issuing USB commands to the camera using Canon's Software Development Kit (SDK). Third-party utilities like "ShutterCount" integrate this SDK into their product and use it to report the shutter count and also additional information like the camera's serial number. Generally speaking the shutter count reported by these utilities is accurate and is not sensitive to switching CF/SD cards (and their card-specific image numbers), at least for bodies for which the SDK support is stable, which I believe includes the 5DM2. Other camera systems like Nikon will increment the shutter count for situations even when a photo isn't taken, such as when Live View is entered/exited (since that involves a shutter cycle) - however Canon doesn't count such actions against the shutter count so that's probably not what happened here.
Your requested experiment is a good one. Based on my own experience with those shutter count utilities on Canon bodies I believe the result of the experiment will show that it correctly counts the 5 additional shutter clicks.
In case we're missing possible situations where the 5DM2 might increment the shutter count without an exosure, can you think of anything else you did with the camera outside of the steps you described in your post for the experiment?
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