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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


I have a D7100 and was curious if anyone owns the 7100 and D750 can comment purely on how the IQ compares? With both being 24MP cameras I was curious if you are seeing much difference in the files. Thanks.

Steve



Oct 07, 2014 at 05:03 PM
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SSISteve wrote:
I have a D7100 and was curious if anyone owns the 7100 and D750 can comment purely on how the IQ compares? With both being 24MP cameras I was curious if you are seeing much difference in the files. Thanks.

Steve


Might want to be specific about the situation in which you are curious about the comparison, given that there's a fairly obvious set of compromises involved. Landscape? Sports? Low-ISO daylight? High-ISO gyms? Starscapes? Architecture?

You'd also be looking either at different framing with the same lenses due to the different sensor sizes, or different lenses altogether, especially at the wide and long ends.



Oct 07, 2014 at 05:30 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


I'm sure below ISO 400 they are prob the same...after that, it's prob no question that the d750 is better...to me, the 7100 was no better than the 7000


Oct 07, 2014 at 05:39 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


NathanHamler wrote:
I'm sure below ISO 400 they are prob the same...after that, it's prob no question that the d750 is better...to me, the 7100 was no better than the 7000


Because the AA-less 24MP sensor couldn't possibly resolve more than the 16MP sensor with built-in blur filter? /s

I realize that there's not a significant difference in final output between the two crop cameras for most uses, but for stuff that is either significantly reach limited (assuming a high shutter speed in the case of action) that requires cropping or stuff like landscape or architecture that can really make use of the resolution, the difference should be obvious enough with especially sharp lenses.

Between the D7100 and D750, one can expect the D750 to outresolve the D7100 in every situation that is not reach limited when using the same glass, and Nikon makes better wide-angle lenses (and wider FOV lenses at that) for FX than they do for DX. And the D750 will kill the D7100 when it comes to AF speed, accuracy, consistency, and tracking, as well as low-light AF acquisition. And then there's the whole lower-end build and short buffer issue, as the D7100 is definitely not a successor to the D300s .



Oct 07, 2014 at 06:14 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


johnctharp wrote:
...the D7100 is definitely not a successor to the D300s .


Maybe not, but the IQ is phenomenal compared to the D300 I was using. I guess it just depends on your measuring stick!

David



Oct 07, 2014 at 06:39 PM
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eaglewolf wrote:
Maybe not, but the IQ is phenomenal compared to the D300 I was using. I guess it just depends on your measuring stick!

David




Yea ... if I wasn't shoot so much sports I'd have a D7100 already ... oh hum



Oct 07, 2014 at 06:55 PM
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johnctharp wrote:
Because the AA-less 24MP sensor couldn't possibly resolve more than the 16MP sensor with built-in blur filter? /s.....................Between the D7100 and D750, one can expect the D750 to outresolve the D7100 in every situation that is not reach limited when using the same glass......



Sooooo, if we go by your argument of a 24mp sensor with no AA filter, beating a 16mp sensor WITH an AA filter, then how does a 24mp camera WITH an AA filter (the D750) out resolve a camera WITHOUT an AA filter (the D7100), when they are both have the same total pixels? AND, some would argue that the D7100 has smaller pixel pitch, and therefore can result in finer detail. I'm lost with your logic.

I was simply referring that IN GENERAL (b/c the OP's original question was equally general to start with), the D750 is most likely going to have better image quality, simply from a less noise standpoint...which, is why i said below iso 400, you most likely won't be able to tell the difference. The D7100 is already great in the dynamic range department, i can only assume that with the increase in technology over a couple years, as well as the D750 being full frame, the dynamic range between the two is most likely close, with the D750 probably edging out the 7100 by a slight margin.

But, as for your argument of straight resolving power, at base ISO, i'm gonna say the 7100 will prob beat the 750, simply due to pixel pitch, and (like you said) no AA filter.



Oct 07, 2014 at 07:00 PM
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Andre Labonte wrote:
Yea ... if I wasn't shoot so much sports I'd have a D7100 already ... oh hum


And I've shot sports with my 6D, whose AF aside from the -3 EV center point is no better than a five year-old Rebel. But that doesn't mean I couldn't use better AF or >4.5 FPS, just like you might be able to make use of a deeper buffer on a true D300s replacement .



Oct 07, 2014 at 07:03 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


If you read comments from other threads, the D750 is better than the D600, D610, D700, D800, D800e, D810, D3s, and D4.

Why not add D7100 to that list?



Oct 07, 2014 at 07:07 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


NathanHamler wrote:
But, as for your argument of straight resolving power, at base ISO, i'm gonna say the 7100 will prob beat the 750, simply due to pixel pitch, and (like you said) no AA filter.


I agree that it'd be close, but there's more to it than pixel count and pixel pitch, and to compound the issue there's no real way to make a direct comparison. At best you use the same FX lens on each and use different framing, and even then the D750 has the advantage of having larger pixels, which masks optical weaknesses in all but the very best lenses.

If you compare the two at DxO with the D610 substituting for the D750, the D610 is rated as resolving closer to 24MP across it's lens range than the D7100. While it varies from lens to lens, and lenses obviously don't always perform as good (or bad) on test charts as they do in the real world, I'd put the resolving power edge in the FX sensor's camp assuming the best comparison environment, and without a doubt once the going gets rough.



Oct 07, 2014 at 07:18 PM
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Jason_Brook wrote:
If you read comments from other threads, the D750 is better than the D600, D610, D700, D800, D800e, D810, D3s, and D4.

Why not add D7100 to that list?


Better for what?

Please be specific .


(and I'm not implying any sarcasm- in my opinion, there is no universal 'better')



Oct 07, 2014 at 07:19 PM
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Check out the sample NEFs near the bottom:
http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/nikon_d750_review/sample_images/

You'll need Adobe's DNG converter to be able to open them right now:
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw8-7.html

I also have a D7100, and as you can expect, the D750 is cleaner at every ISO, starting with a little at ISO 100 and a lot by 6400+. It has no banding in shadows, which are also much cleaner when you bring them up. Clean as a whistle at base ISO.

Its highlight recovery potential is the same as the D7100 (about 2 stops). Sharpness is very close, to the point of moire in one of the sample images (skyline). It isn't as razor sharp, but I don't think anyone will complain.

Finally, I've seen an astrophotography comparison of the D7100 vs the D600. It was no contest. The D600 had a ton more color detail available, while the D7100 looked muted. The D750 should be even better.



Oct 07, 2014 at 10:16 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


johnctharp wrote:
Between the D7100 and D750, one can expect the D750 to outresolve the D7100 in every situation that is not reach limited when using the same glass, and Nikon makes better wide-angle lenses (and wider FOV lenses at that) for FX than they do for DX. And the D750 will kill the D7100 when it comes to AF speed, accuracy, consistency, and tracking, as well as low-light AF acquisition. And then there's the whole lower-end build and short buffer issue, as the D7100 is definitely not a successor to the D300s .


Johnctharp, you speak with great assurance for one who "reads, probably too much" and who admits to having never used (and perhaps even laid eyes upon) many of the bodies and lenses on which you comment so prolifically. It strikes me that that also happens to be the MO of a certain Ren Kockwell, who is subject to much admiration and regard on this forum.

Keep up the good work.

C



Oct 07, 2014 at 10:58 PM
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Chris Court wrote:
Keep up the good work.

C


We should all just abandon research and logic altogether. I mean, I had *no* idea how my 6D would handle before I bought one.



Oct 07, 2014 at 11:00 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


SSISteve wrote:
I have a D7100 and was curious if anyone owns the 7100 and D750 can comment purely on how the IQ compares? With both being 24MP cameras I was curious if you are seeing much difference in the files. Thanks.

Steve



I've owned a D7100 at one point and now have the D750. In bright light, there is no difference. Both are crisp. D750 has advantage on high ISO of course. D750 has bigger viewfinder.. buttons feel the same...both have good colors.. that's all I can remember.

Oh, and Jason... the D750 is better than the D4......not! There's a reason they charge $6K for the D4 (and no, it's not because of the battery grip, lol) The D4 is a flagship for a reason and no prosumer body matches its speed and build. I guess people are just excited by the new D750, and for good reasons... but let's get real, it cannot touch a D4 and anyone who insists otherwise has never really pushed a D4.



Oct 08, 2014 at 01:54 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


Joseph, I was being an ass and mocking the people acting like the D750 is the second coming of *insert deity here*. While there's no doubt the D750 is probably an awesome body, the claims being made are becoming ridiculous.


Oct 08, 2014 at 05:47 AM
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Overall, the D7100 should have a minor resolution advantage over the D750 if paired with glass of sufficient quality. I certainly saw this with the D7100 vs the D600 and the Sigma 105 OS Macro. This is due to the lack of an AA filter on the D7100.

The D750 however should have around 1 stop better SNR, which translates into better shadow recovery at low ISO and better noise performance at high ISO. The reality is the D7100's weakness in shadow recovery will give the D750 an extra advantage here (that's unique to the Toshiba sensor in the D7100, the D5300 and D3300 do not have this issue). Also as a result of this the D750's RAW files should be more malleable and will take more post-processing without visible degradation.

In terms of lenses, like all comparisons of FX vs DX at the same MP count, the FX body will demand more in the corners due to the wider coverage, while the DX body requires more resolution in the centre and zone B due to the higher pixel density. Overall the D750 will be less demanding on outright performance of a lens, but will still require very good glass to get the best out of it. Once again, the lack of an AA filter pushes lenses on the DX body harder.



Oct 08, 2014 at 06:58 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


Not a scientific measure by any stretch of the imagination but....

I got the wife a D7100 for Xmas last year. For the most part she leaves it tucked away between the spare comforter and her occasional shoe pile. I've not had the gall to grab it all too often and drive it around the block. That said, I have taken the better glass I use and have and sat on the porch hitting squirrels and cars driving past....

And between those occasional shots with her prosumer glass, and the upper end glass in my kit... the glass makes ALL the difference in the world on this body. The D7100 shines pretty bright with a 300 2.8 or the 2-400 f/4. I see a major changer on her 80-400 tube.

It's just my take on it.



Oct 08, 2014 at 06:39 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


Based on numbers alone, you have greater pixel density with the D7100 than the D750. However, I would expect more noise at high ISO on the crop body. I really believe that the more important factor is the added DOF you get going FX. Mawz has mentioned all the other bits...




Oct 11, 2014 at 10:17 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Has Anyone Compared the D750 To The D7100?


in2house wrote:
Based on numbers alone, you have greater pixel density with the D7100 than the D750. However, I would expect more noise at high ISO on the crop body. I really believe that the more important factor is the added DOF you get going FX. Mawz has mentioned all the other bits...



Don't you mean less DOF going to FX?



Oct 11, 2014 at 10:21 PM
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