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Archive 2014 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

I apologize, as I'm trying to be scientific, but I'm not very good at it, haha. Both cameras were set 5.6, 1/125, 12800, and 4550 kelvin. No AWB. No tripod either, since I'm not testing sharpness or anything like that.

Both were shot in RAW, then imported to Lightroom with no adjustments of any kind made by me. Then when I exported, I told lightroom to export them at 12 megapixels at 300dpi.

If there's a more scientific way, let me know!

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Oct 03, 2014 at 12:12 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

i don't use lightroom

and these people are wearing green. mixed lighting.

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Oct 03, 2014 at 12:26 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

sjms wrote:
i don't use lightroom

and these people are wearing green. mixed lighting.

Ahhhh, ok. I'm not worried about the green. My D800 is green. Super easy to fix. I'm just looking at noise, trying to decide which of these to buy for low light performance. 12k is about all I need for low light performance and right now I'm not sure the D4 is that much better. That's why I was concerned my test wasn't scientific enough.

Oct 03, 2014 at 12:37 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

Try the test in darker conditions with more shadows. It's easier to make things look good in bright light - the real trick is what it looks like when you test it in the conditions where you would really need super high ISO. Also, the two samples are pretty close in magnification, so presumably, the d810 was down sampled, which keeps the noise more in check.

Oct 03, 2014 at 12:45 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

Steve Perry wrote:
Try the test in darker conditions with more shadows. It's easier to make things look good in bright light - the real trick is what it looks like when you test it in the conditions where you would really need super high ISO. Also, the two samples are pretty close in magnification, so presumably, the d810 was down sampled, which keeps the noise more in check.

Yeah and I never downsample. But a lot of times when I post on here I get yelled at haha, because my conclusions aren't scientific. FM is the only reason why I've even heard of downsampling. I'll be shooting a wedding tomorrow with both bodies, so I'll definitely get a better sense then. I just don't want to make an emotional decision about this purchase. Because my emotions are telling me D4 D4!!! I love how it feels. But I don't want to spend the extra money if it's not wonderfully better than the 810. The 810 is just really really good.

Oct 03, 2014 at 01:06 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

It's tough, no question. I'm very fortunate to have both so I pick the camera I need for the situation at hand. The good news is, it's probably hard to go wrong either way

Oct 03, 2014 at 01:10 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

ohsnaphappy wrote:
Ahhhh, ok. I'm not worried about the green. My D800 is green. Super easy to fix. I'm just looking at noise, trying to decide which of these to buy for low light performance. 12k is about all I need for low light performance and right now I'm not sure the D4 is that much better. That's why I was concerned my test wasn't scientific enough.

Maybe a dumb question, but what is the official easy fix to the green?

Oct 03, 2014 at 01:19 PM

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Jason_Brook wrote:
Maybe a dumb question, but what is the official easy fix to the green?

On camera, I found amber +1 to be efficient on my D800. If that's a little too red for you you can add a +1 blue. But here's something I'm not 100% sure about, if you shoot at a custom kelvin of 4550 for example, does the amber +1 still impact the shot? My thought is no. But I'm not entirely sure

Oct 03, 2014 at 01:51 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

they are 2 different types of cameras.

the D4/D4s offers the greatest versatility of all. where the D810 offers resolution and not much more. if you are a news/sports/event photographer its obvious which one. for more portrait/wedding/less high speed activity the D810.

like Mr Perry i have both options available. when dazed and confused as to which to use the D4/D4s is a better overall option.

Oct 03, 2014 at 01:57 PM

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sjms wrote:
they are 2 different types of cameras.

the D4/D4s offers the greatest versatility of all. where the D810 offers resolution and not much more. if you are a news/sports/event photographer its obvious which one. for more portrait/wedding/less high speed activity the D810.

like Mr Perry i have both options available. when dazed and confused as to which to use the D4/D4s is a better overall option.

Sure, but I'm just looking at noise. I'm perfectly happy with what I have, except for when I need 6400 and up. Both camera have long lists of pros and cons for me. I really thought the noise on the D4 would settle the question, but it didn't. Maybe real life shooting tomorrow will do the trick

Oct 03, 2014 at 02:08 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

the D4 wins every time. my shots were at 20k+

Oct 03, 2014 at 02:14 PM

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ohsnaphappy wrote:
On camera, I found amber +1 to be efficient on my D800. If that's a little too red for you you can add a +1 blue. But here's something I'm not 100% sure about, if you shoot at a custom kelvin of 4550 for example, does the amber +1 still impact the shot? My thought is no. But I'm not entirely sure

I changed the hue of the green channel in the camera profile of Lightroom for the D4.

Oct 03, 2014 at 02:21 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

I like that you downsampled this - much more realistic than zooming in 1-to-1 on original pixels. Any chance you'll shoot a similar test in darker conditions?

Oct 03, 2014 at 02:59 PM

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Lauchlan Toal wrote:
I like that you downsampled this - much more realistic than zooming in 1-to-1 on original pixels. Any chance you'll shoot a similar test in darker conditions?

I definitely will tomorrow night at the wedding reception

Oct 03, 2014 at 04:54 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

Why is the D750 not on the list?

Should be effectively the best low-light camera on the market with respect to the balance of AF, high-ISO noise performance, and resolution.

Oct 03, 2014 at 05:11 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

ohsnaphappy wrote:
If there's a more scientific way, let me know!

One way that would help weed out the differences in sensor performance would be to profile both cameras with a ColorChecker, and then to include the Macbeth chart in the test shots. That would allow you to zero in on specific noise color and pattern differences.

Oct 03, 2014 at 05:15 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

johnctharp wrote:
One way that would help weed out the differences in sensor performance would be to profile both cameras with a ColorChecker, and then to include the Macbeth chart in the test shots. That would allow you to zero in on specific noise color and pattern differences.

Oh that is a lot more scientific haha. I haven't read a lot about the 750. It's pretty good at 12800? I just have the D4 and 810 from NPS because they're the bodies I'm interested in.

Oct 03, 2014 at 05:40 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

ohsnaphappy wrote:
Oh that is a lot more scientific haha. I haven't read a lot about the 750. It's pretty good at 12800? I just have the D4 and 810 from NPS because they're the bodies I'm interested in.

From a high-ISO standpoint, it would seem that the cameras would stack up as:

D4S > D4 > D800(E) > D810

while low-ISO would be the opposite and likely more pronounced.

The D750 looks to be better than the D800(E) at higher ISOs, but I haven't seen comparisons that really place it amongst the professional cameras (or say Canon's full-frames that perform similarly to the D4/D4S).

Oct 03, 2014 at 06:16 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

Yeah even at 6400 it's already that much better, impressive!!

Oct 03, 2014 at 06:23 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · D4 & D810 at 12800 with Pics

That is pretty amazing...

Oct 03, 2014 at 07:50 PM

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