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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


Photography is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, a lot of times that includes enjoying the latest/greatest/best/etc. Buy whatever is going to make you the most happy; save those pennies if need be. Being happy with your gear almost always leads to good pictures.


Sep 16, 2014 at 07:32 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


Andre Labonte wrote:
Another reason I don't dare pick up a D800 ...


Now that is a real smart move... stay away from temptation



Sep 16, 2014 at 08:48 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


hijazist wrote:
It's easy to recommend the latest & greatest when it's not our money involved. He's upgrading from a D300s so I don't think ISO 64 & a quieter shutter is a major concern.

Diavolo, the D810 is definitely a better body but it's up to you to decide if a soft shutter and ISO 64 is worth an extra $1800. That would buy you a used 24-70 2.8 and 14-24 2.8 when you sell your DX lenses


Well, yah, its easy enough to recommend a camera a guy expressed interest in if from personal experience its a fantastic camers. As far as the smooth shutter goes, its not a noise issue, its a vibration issue that was a real weakness in the d800 design.
I have no problem if a guy doesn't want a FF, or if he just wants a cheap aps-c. After five years with a d700 I personally can't recommend an aps-c camera no matter how far down the depreciation curve it is.
Perhaps if things continue the way they're going I'll be able to trade my old d700 straight across for a d800! But I think I'd rather have the d700.
Also, lets remember that the d300 was the premier aps-c body in its day, and up to this day. A guy who shoots a d300 probably knows his way around ISOs. He also mentions that he already has at least a couple of FX lenses. Good to go.



Sep 16, 2014 at 09:10 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


You touch it, you buy it!

So don't touch things that you won't be able to buy. That's my motto. Works well.




Sep 16, 2014 at 09:34 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


bocajrs wrote:
What's wrong with having fast glass and the 50 1.8g? IMO, the 50 1.8g is the most underrated 50 out there and the price cannot be beaten


He has a 1.8d though.

The D800 is a capable body.. In all honesty the files you get are excellent and at the price point it's an excellent choice. If you don't need the latest and greatest like someone else mentioned the D600 IQ wise is a huge upgrade from the d300s



Sep 17, 2014 at 06:51 AM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


DontShoot wrote:
I will go even further and suggest the D600. There is one at the B&S board for $1K It's a HUGE upgrade from your D300s, plus you get to keep $2300 that you can use towards FX glass. Once you sell your DX stuff, you might have enough money to get the 14-24, 24-70, and 70-200!

In fact I'd rather have D600 and fast pro glass than D810 and 50 1.8


Having owned the D600 and D7100 back to back, on similar quality glass I preferred the D7100's higher resolution to the D600's better DR. And the D7100's cheaper and a more capable body otherwise (faster, better AF, better shutter).



Sep 17, 2014 at 08:57 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


I was able to try a D800 for the past weekend to see how it stacked up against my D600. Truthfully, I was disappointed. I couldn't see much difference between the two when identical images were placed side-by-side on the monitor.

The differences were incredibly minor, and the D600 seemed to have more detail than the D800 more often than not.



Sep 17, 2014 at 10:37 AM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


As good as the 24-70 is, you might want to consider other lenses with stabilisation if you ever intend to shoot hand-held in poor light and can't use f/2.8 because you need more DOF. The 24-120 f/4 VR is ok but not great optically, but scores well because of the extra versatility. Likewise, you might look at the Sigma 24-105 OS.

I've got a D810E and I love most of what it can do, but I also dislike that it can't do some things:
- crappy live view implementation barely usable (fixed in D810)
- unwanted mirror down/up when shooting even in live view (fixed in D810)
- not the best dynamic range at higher ISO (1600+) (NOT fixed in D810 - need D3s or D4s)
- bracketing steps no bigger than 1Ev (STILL not fixed in high-end Nikon cameras)

The D810 addresses some of what I don't like and adds a bit more, such as a revised AF operation (though still using the same AF hardware), faster frame rate, bigger buffer (needed even at low frame rate if you use enough noise reduction), etc. As far as I know it doesn't mess with things that I do like.

I'll be buying one soon.
- Alan



Sep 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


480sparky wrote:
I was able to try a D800 for the past weekend to see how it stacked up against my D600. Truthfully, I was disappointed. I couldn't see much difference between the two when identical images were placed side-by-side on the monitor.

The differences were incredibly minor, and the D600 seemed to have more detail than the D800 more often than not.


With the best lenses and best technique you should be able to see the difference. However, many lenses can't get the best out of the D800/D810 36Mpx sensor. Also, if the aperture is too small - as little as f/8 is enough) - diffraction will reveal a noticeable reduction compared to what the 36Mpx sensor can produce at its best, unless the lens and/or technique are already bad enough to mask the effect.

Default camera profiles can make a difference too.

And if the images are "identical" side-by-side on the monitor then one must have been enlarged or shrunk. That is unfair when trying to see what the cameras can do, but I admit that it is fair when trying to evaluate photos for printing at the same size. I'm more likely to make a bigger print if the image will support it, rather than restrict the print size to whatever suits a lesser camera or a small printer.

- Alan



Sep 17, 2014 at 11:26 AM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


I upgraded from a D300s to a D800. Two years later the files still blow me away. Black and white conversions are gorgeous, recovery is unbelievable and ISO performance is way better. The D600 felt too toy-ish coming from the D300 and was honestly a big factor in why I chose the D800 over that. I had a F100 at the same time and those ergonomics are what I enjoy.

I might upgrade to the D810, still haven't decided exactly what to do since I want more lenses and only so much $$$ to go around for an (expensive!) hobby.

Coming back from a 5 week vacation using the D800, I don't feel any sense of urgency to upgrade.



Sep 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM
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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


hijazist wrote:
Why a D810 if you liked the D800? For the price the D800s are going for it's a no brainer


Because the "small" differences between the two are actually pretty substantial. I sold my D800 to get the D810 for those reasons...

Jim



Sep 17, 2014 at 12:04 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


480sparky wrote:
I was able to try a D800 for the past weekend to see how it stacked up against my D600. Truthfully, I was disappointed. I couldn't see much difference between the two when identical images were placed side-by-side on the monitor.

The differences were incredibly minor, and the D600 seemed to have more detail than the D800 more often than not.


Unless you upsize the D600 image to match the D800 or downsize the D800 image to match the D600, you will not be comparing apples to apples. That's why a D700 image at 100% will look sharper than a D800 at 100%... Because a D800 image at 100% is like a D700 image viewed at 400%.... Same with the D600... view the image at 200% and then compare it to the D800 at 100%... the story will be quite different.

Jim



Sep 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


I don't know if you have any other "D" lenses but I have the 85/1.4 and 300/4 and both are excellent with the D810.


Sep 17, 2014 at 01:02 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


Diavolo wrote:
I'm not sure how I will be able to stop myself from purchasing a D810. My current camera is a D300s. My jaw dropped when I looked through the viewfinder for the first time. As I snapped away I loved it more and more. Brought the test files into ACR and started pricing out the package I want on Amazon. If I didn't need to purchase a 24-70 to replace my 17-55 I think I would have bought it five minutes ago.

The level of detail and cropping ability of the D800 is simply amazing. I really does allow a macro
...Show more

I would say using a D8XX was the right move . . . .



Sep 17, 2014 at 01:13 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


bwield wrote:
If it helps the 24-70 is also amazing


+100



Sep 17, 2014 at 01:23 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


JimFox wrote:
Unless you upsize the D600 image to match the D800 or downsize the D800 image to match the D600, you will not be comparing apples to apples. That's why a D700 image at 100% will look sharper than a D800 at 100%... Because a D800 image at 100% is like a D700 image viewed at 400%.... Same with the D600... view the image at 200% and then compare it to the D800 at 100%... the story will be quite different.

Jim


That's exactly what I did. D800 at 100%, D600 at 132% made the subject the same size on the monitor.




Sep 17, 2014 at 09:52 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


IMHO -- Unless your needs or style has drastically changed over a given time period. That is you need these comparisons and newer kit due those types of changes. A large part of this is moot. You had mentioned coming from a D300.. Yes, it's worth it.

** IF ** you have the glass to support it. No glass, no real tangible benefit. All the quality goes right down the crapper. Since the 1970's it's always been the golden rule of 'glass first, body second'. I only own 1 - 300 f/2.8 and 1 - 200-400 f/4 and 1 - 14-24 /2.8. But I have 6 bodies.

I have had the DX pro bodies since introduction... Still use them. I have the D3 models since introduction and... still use them. I use a D4 when or if I need to (focusing speed) for insane excessive crazy shite flying past me I can't afford any boo-boos'. But I can't say that I would " NEED " anything else as my work hasn't changed up enough to justify the costs vs. real benefits.

I would like (in a perfect world and price) to own a D800E for larger nature and landscapes. Will I struggle over the purchase? Nope. When the time comes and the price is right I'll pull that trigger in a heartbeat. I know my large format printer has made some of the most incredible images I've ever seen in my life from a D800E. I could warm up to that really really fast.



Sep 18, 2014 at 07:30 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


m.sommers00 wrote:
I might upgrade to the D810, still haven't decided exactly what to do since I want more lenses and only so much $$$ to go around for an (expensive!) hobby.

Coming back from a 5 week vacation using the D800, I don't feel any sense of urgency to upgrade.


I have to agree with you. While I have been tempted by the D810, photography is simply a hobby for me, so I don't NEED the latest and greatest. If I made a living from photography, then I probably would get a D810. But honestly, my D800 is perfectly fine for me and my needs. Especially since I just migrated from Canon about six months ago.

-Nick



Sep 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


Diavalo

You might want to figure in the cost of a newer, faster and larger memory computer into your calculations on the D 800 series cameras. Going from 12 mp to 36mp is pretty significant. And RAW files may even be more significant.



Sep 20, 2014 at 06:16 AM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Used a D800 today. Wrong move.


If you are going to make big big prints, or need uwa lenses, then the D800 is great. Otherwise, I would go for the D7100,especially if you shoot action or wildlife.Selecting the right tool is based on what you want to use it for.


Sep 20, 2014 at 04:31 PM
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