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Hi
Have been away from it all and now photokina noise wakes me up. Are they launching this lens? Any announcements to this effect?
Anurag

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Sep 15, 2014 at 10:43 AM
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It seems that Canon decided to release the new EOS 7D Mark II with the 400mm f/4 DO II instead.


Sep 15, 2014 at 10:44 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · RIP 100-400 Mark II


Sadly no.

Missed opportunity for Canon as the 7D2 with an updated 100-400 would have been a killer combo.

While the 400 DO II is nice I don't see a large percentage of 7D2 users rushing to it.



Sep 15, 2014 at 10:59 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · RIP 100-400 Mark II


In the 7DII thread I commented, I hoped the other item on my wish list (100-400II) also came to lite. So I guess I'll wait to see how both versions of the new Sigma 100-600 fares.

Agree with ggreene, missed opportunity.. The 7DII and a new 100-400II would of sold like hotcakes.

Maybe the fat lady hasn't fully sung. Wishful thinking !!




Sep 15, 2014 at 11:28 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · RIP 100-400 Mark II


I'm was ready to pounce on a new 100 400 too and am now really glad I went ahead and picked up an existing one. I'm now trying to figure out what I am going to buy with the cash I had set aside for it. I'm pretty sure that 400 DO would be too large for me to really use it enough to enjoy it. I really don't get Canon's logic with not updating something as popular as the 100 400.

This is the second time for a really strong rumor that falls flat on this lens. I'm just not buying into it again and am probably just going to wait for the dust to settle with the Sigma's and and make a choice between one of them and the Tamron. If that new Sigma sport wasn't so heavy it'd probably be a nobrainer. (I'm hoping I don't set of the "what's a little weight" discussion again.)



Sep 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM
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Kathy White wrote:
If that new Sigma sport wasn't so heavy it'd probably be a nobrainer. (I'm hoping I don't set of the "what's a little weight" discussion again.)


The Tamron is as easy as the 100-400 to handle:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1318234/0#12577618



Sep 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
It seems that Canon decided to release the new EOS 7D Mark II with the 400mm f/4 DO II instead.


I gotta admit, a 7D2 with the 400 DO II with a 2xTC creates quite the reach (FOV of 1,280mm!!), especially when taking into consideration size and weight issues....

I'll be interested to hear how the 7D2 plays with the Tamron/Sigma 150-600's with a 1.4TC attached.



Sep 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM
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gocolts wrote:
I gotta admit, a 7D2 with the 400 DO II with a 2xTC creates quite the reach (FOV of 1,280mm!!), especially when taking into consideration size and weight issues....

I'll be interested to hear how the 7D2 plays with the Tamron/Sigma 150-600's with a 1.4TC attached.


My thoughts exactly.
Shooting birds at 900 f/5.6 and 1,280mm f/8 with the new 7D II / 400 DO II / Extenders combo will be a long reach and light proposition. According to the MFT posted, IQ is will be also stellar.



Sep 15, 2014 at 12:26 PM
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Kathy White wrote:
I really don't get Canon's logic with not updating something as popular as the 100 400.


Ironically, that may well be why they are not updating it. It's just too popular and sells.




Sep 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM
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The next opportunity would be March 2015 to announce such a lens.

To be honest I'd want to see the replaceemt to the 135/2L, 180/3.5L Marco and 400/5.6L ahead of the 100-400/5.6L



Sep 15, 2014 at 12:47 PM
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There is a new Sigma announced. All the action is going to shift from Tamron to Siggy now.
Maybe Canon knew about this Sigma, and pushed the decision.
Saying this because all recent Sigmas have been steller.
Weight is the only fly in the ointment, relatively speaking.
Common Canon. Everybody will buy one including those who already have one.
Ah ! This time round it really looked like its coming



Sep 15, 2014 at 01:03 PM
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I've been waiting for a new 100-400 to be released too. Unfortunately that hasn't happened and the 400DO2 is too specific a lens to interest me right now. I can see the appeal of the new 400 though.


Sep 15, 2014 at 01:29 PM
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IndyFab wrote:
.... So I guess I'll wait to see how both versions of the new Sigma 100-600 fares.


That's my thinking now too since there is no sign of a new Canon 100-400. The weight won't bother me, I use a 300 f2.8 IS with a Canon 2x III on a 7D. The Sports Sigma will only weigh a little more and have a nice flexible zoom range. Many times I've wished my Canon was a zoom for quick framing of moving subjects.

If test photos from the Sports version look good, it will be on my shopping list unless Canon announces a good competitor before it hits the stores.




Sep 15, 2014 at 01:31 PM
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It never lived! :-) You should say RIP 100-400 II fantasy!


Sep 15, 2014 at 01:33 PM
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Up until the IS wide primes appeared, I thought that Canon's strategy was to send the prices skyrocketing and kill off most of the relatively affordable stuff (like they did away with the 100 macro and 70-300, replacing them with pricier L lenses). The 400/5.6 and 100-400 looked like the logical next victims: I thought Canon would kill them with no successors so that one would have to pay dearly for the fast 400 primes or the likes of 200-400, or be forced to top out at 300mm (with the still pricey 300L), or resort to extenders. I even thought they'd do away with most non-L lenses, replacing them with Red-ring counterparts. Then there was something that looked like abrupt reversal... And now, it's all over the place: on one hand, we're getting STM lenses, and on the other, all this confusion surrounding the rumored 100-400 II makes me wonder where Canon is heading altogether.


Sep 15, 2014 at 02:52 PM
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Snopchenko wrote:
Up until the IS wide primes appeared, I thought that Canon's strategy was to send the prices skyrocketing and kill off most of the relatively affordable stuff (like they did away with the 100 macro and 70-300, replacing them with pricier L lenses). The 400/5.6 and 100-400 looked like the logical next victims: I thought Canon would kill them with no successors so that one would have to pay dearly for the fast 400 primes or the likes of 200-400, or be forced to top out at 300mm (with the still pricey 300L), or resort to extenders. I even thought
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Good luck sorting that one out. Canon seems to do whatever it thinks will make Canon more money, consumers be damned.

Yes, I understand that is what corporations are designed to do. That doesn't mean it is a good model for a company to follow. Apple seems to make boatloads of money and have great customer relations because they are able to be agile enough to build what the people want but build it in a way that inspires people to want more of it. Not bitch about how they don't invest enough in sensor R&D for 4 years.



Sep 15, 2014 at 03:09 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · RIP 100-400 Mark II


A thought just came to me, perhaps nandadevieast thinking

"There is a new Sigma announced. All the action is going to shift from Tamron to Siggy now.
Maybe Canon knew about this Sigma, and pushed the decision.
Saying this because all recent Sigmas have been steller.
Weight is the only fly in the ointment, relatively speaking.
Common Canon. Everybody will buy one including those who already have one.
Ah ! This time round it really looked like its coming "

may just be accurate. We may never see a 100-400II, perhaps Canon will introduce it's version of the 150-600



Sep 15, 2014 at 03:23 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
My thoughts exactly.
Shooting birds at 900 f/5.6 and 1,280mm f/8 with the new 7D II / 400 DO II / Extenders combo will be a long reach and light proposition. According to the MFT posted, IQ is will be also stellar.


I am very interested in seeing this .... the DO is about 2.2lbs lighter than the 500II. or about 4lbs lighter than the ver 1 I still have... that would be a really nice light load.

Chris



Sep 15, 2014 at 03:23 PM
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kezeka wrote:
Good luck sorting that one out. Canon seems to do whatever it thinks will make Canon more money, consumers be damned.

Actually, I don't have a horse in this race - I'm not one of those desperate for a 100-400 II (or any other particular lens) under a threat of migrating to Nikon / Sony - but I've been trying to understand their general direction just for fun. Notice how differently Nikon is handling their lineup: there is more and more divergence, for example, in that Nikon has released a full lineup of Ultrasonic-enabled consumer f/1.8 primes (down to 20mm now, no less), whereas Canon has not updated theirs in a while (instead choosing to add IS to a bunch of wides, otherwise retaining their basic specs - focal length and aperture - from 25 years ago). I'm not complaining either - none of these 3 are even slightly interesting for me - just pointing out the difference.


Yes, I understand that is what corporations are designed to do. That doesn't mean it is a good model for a company to follow. Apple seems to make boatloads of money and have great customer relations because they are able to be agile enough to build what the people want but build it in a way that inspires people to want more of it. Not bitch about how they don't invest enough in sensor R&D for 4 years.

Right on.



Sep 16, 2014 at 06:29 AM
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dolina wrote:
The next opportunity would be March 2015 to announce such a lens.
To be honest I'd want to see the replaceemt to the 135/2L, 180/3.5L Marco and 400/5.6L ahead of the 100-400/5.6L


If the IQ on an updated 100-400 is as good as the 70-200 IS II then I'm not sure Canon will bother to update the 400/5.6.






Sep 16, 2014 at 08:11 AM
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