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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Workflow Backup Help


So something interesting has been happening. My Synology backup solution is no longer a great tool. With over a TB of pictures to back up it takes almost 48 hours to do an entire backup. Today I had to do one since all of my data was lost. I now want to switch to something else, (10 MBs transfer speeds are to slow.)

What is everyone using as there backup solution? I am on PC but that should not matter.

Thanks for the help.



Sep 13, 2014 at 10:18 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Workflow Backup Help


I would check the network connections on both your workstation and the NAS to make sure they are still connecting at gigabit speeds.

I use a custom NAS I built myself using an Intel Xeon, Supermicro motherboard (with dual Intel NICs), ECC ram, and LSI HBAs tunning FreeNAS using the ZFS pooling system for backup.



Sep 13, 2014 at 10:42 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Workflow Backup Help


Network checked. Its all gigabyte connected.

I dont mind building a Nas. I just do not know how to set it up. Or know the reason why my current NAS is so slow.



Sep 13, 2014 at 10:56 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Workflow Backup Help


Which model synology do you have?

If you are sure it should be running at gigabit speeds then check your ethernet cables - they should say "CAT 5e" or "CAT 6" on them. If they don't then they may be your problem.

Also, check that you have "jumbo frames" enabled on your switch/router and on the NAS (if there is such an option).

Like aubsxc i run a home built server using ZFS as filesystem. Mine is slightly less specialised though, running Ubuntu and serving as a home media centre as well as NAS.

Building a NAS is relatively simple - take some old computer hardware, add a bunch of disks, install an operating system and set the disks to be shared over the network. You can do this with generic OS's like Windows, Linux, FreeBSD. Things like setting up a RAID, scripting backups, setting user permissions etc tend to require a bit of OS knowledge to achieve in these cases, but and there are specialist OS's like FreeNAS that have extra tools for such admin.

In truth, setting it all up is quite easy. Maintenance (dealing with hardware failures etc is) where it gets harder.


Edited on Sep 14, 2014 at 07:51 AM · View previous versions



Sep 14, 2014 at 01:57 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Workflow Backup Help


I have DS213air

Hm.. the one from PC to Router is Cat5 then Router to Synology is Cat5e. I wonder if that could be the issue.

Just reset the router last night and testing speed this morning magically its back up to 50 MB/s but that is still not fast enough.



Sep 14, 2014 at 06:51 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Workflow Backup Help


It's performing within the specs

https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/performance#2_bay



Sep 14, 2014 at 09:57 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Workflow Backup Help


Sunny Sra wrote:
It's performing within the specs

https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/performance#2_bay


Yeah AFter a reboot and a clean up it is. I may just need to upgrade to a stronger unit. Esp. with backing up all of my wife's stuff as well.



Sep 14, 2014 at 10:02 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Workflow Backup Help


Depending on the exact nature of the speed test, this is probably OK.

You will only see full network bandwidth saturation under ideal circumstances, with "real" transfers of small files there is quite a lot of network and filesystem overhead. No matter what you buy you will not see 100MB/sec all the time.



Sep 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Workflow Backup Help


Here is something else interesting.

When using File History to back up I get 50-60 MB/s. If I use Data Replicator I get 400KB/s

How is that possible.

Maybe I need to use a different software package for backing up to the synology.



Sep 14, 2014 at 10:14 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Workflow Backup Help


I use beyondCompare to sync files between the RAID1 in the PC to the Synology.

Are you using the wireless on the synology? maybe disable that and try.

A lot will also depend on the NIC in your computer, some just suck at uploading data, specially the embedded ones. Do a drivers update and test.



Sep 14, 2014 at 01:45 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Workflow Backup Help


Downloaded arconis to test. Getting 65 MBs. Seems like the issue is data replicator 3. I have asus rampage iv with updated drivers. Seems plenty fast enough

Sunny Sra wrote:
I use beyondCompare to sync files between the RAID1 in the PC to the Synology.

Are you using the wireless on the synology? maybe disable that and try.

A lot will also depend on the NIC in your computer, some just suck at uploading data, specially the embedded ones. Do a drivers update and test.




Sep 14, 2014 at 02:03 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Workflow Backup Help


freitz wrote:
Downloaded arconis to test. Getting 65 MBs. Seems like the issue is data replicator 3. I have asus rampage iv with updated drivers. Seems plenty fast enough

Do you have the iNetwork control utility installed? If so, disable it and try again.



Sep 14, 2014 at 02:30 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Workflow Backup Help


No. I did not see it.

I pulled the trigger on a DS713+ with upgraded 2GB of ram going to move my hybrid array to that.
UPgrade from single 1.6 Atom to dual 2.13ghz atom with 4 threads. Also ram from 256 to 2gb. Should be a world of difference and should max out my 1GBs network speeds with dual aggregation, should get speeds upwards of 130MB/s transfer speed.

Additional thoughts -

Now I need a solution for backing up my backup. Hopefully this fixes my issues. I also download Arconis software to backup the synology if Data Replicator continues to give me issues on the new system. Anyone else use a Synology? Or what software are you guys using to mirror image your NAS?



Sep 14, 2014 at 08:39 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Workflow Backup Help


freitz wrote:
No. I did not see it.

It would be part of the Asus AI Suite.



Sep 15, 2014 at 03:28 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Workflow Backup Help


15Bit wrote:
It would be part of the Asus AI Suite.


I don't have the AI suite.



Sep 15, 2014 at 05:56 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Workflow Backup Help


If you didn't install AI suite then you are good.


Sep 15, 2014 at 10:07 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Workflow Backup Help


What software are you guys using to backup?


Sep 15, 2014 at 08:10 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Workflow Backup Help


i backup my NAS to carbonite. $149/yr for unlimited space and if you need to recover, they will ship you the data on hard drive.

Use Beyond Compare my RAID 1 in PC --> NAS1 and then NAS1 --> NAS2
NAS2--> Carbonite.



Sep 15, 2014 at 10:31 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Workflow Backup Help


Sunny Sra wrote:
i backup my NAS to carbonite. $149/yr for unlimited space and if you need to recover, they will ship you the data on hard drive.

Use Beyond Compare my RAID 1 in PC --> NAS1 and then NAS1 --> NAS2
NAS2--> Carbonite.


Two problems with Carbonite: It only retains deleted files for 30 days, and it only retains older versions (with versioning enabled) for three months. If you would like a longer retention period take a look at CrashPlan.




Oct 01, 2014 at 01:38 PM





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