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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


The size is roughly the same and it's a tad lighter than the D700. With 6fps at 25.1 megapixels (1.2x mode) and 7fps at 15.4 megapixels (DX mode) the FPS is there. We know the ISO and dynamic range is there. Is this finally the camera we can officially say is a replacement for the D700 or are there other features missing?


Jun 27, 2014 at 02:05 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


Hard to say, although I just bought a used D700. If D810's price could go down to $1600 in five years, I would upgrade to D810 next time. Perhaps I will be expecting D900 with 4K video.


Jun 27, 2014 at 02:39 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


IMHO yes indeed, it's a D700 replacement and much more at that. However, people will complain regardless (in fact they are already complaining).


Jun 27, 2014 at 02:53 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


Of course it is.

The D700 will not be replicated as a "bare bones" camera without D810 video and frills...




Jun 27, 2014 at 02:57 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


I have a D700 and D300. I've been looking to replace the D300 for several years, but didn't want to get something that wouldn't match the 700, and at this point I'm not getting something without video. I need to mull it over for a couple more days, but chances are I will get an 810. So, for me, the answer seems to be yes.


Jun 27, 2014 at 03:03 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


I think for most people, it will be, even if it isn't their dream D700 replacement. The exception will be those who wanted 8FPS FF (with grip) with pro-AF who don't want to buy a D4S, just like the D700 was to the D3. However, I believe that cannibalized too many sales from the D3, despite being an incredible value at the time.

I view it as even more than a D700 replacement, with a variety of flexible resolutions, file sizes, and frame rates. You get a 15MP 7FPS DX camera, 6FPS 25MP camera, and a 5FPS 36MP camera and the benefit of the very best D4S AF to go along with it.

- Wedding photographers have their quieter shutter as well a even quieter "quiet" mode.
- Landscape and Macro photographers have the electronic first curtain, dampened shutter, and improved live view to look forward to, along with the removal of the AA filter completely
- Sports/Wildlife photographers get the (arguably) best AF around along with several crop and FPS choices
- Studio photographers benefit from many of the same things, especially the same resolution they loved on the D800/E
- Video shooters get a variety of improvements, including an open SDK for hacks & third party developers to unlock even more capability

And many more scenarios I'm sure I've left out. It also packs in most of what is wanted in a D300 replacement as an added bonus, but I'm not suggesting it is an actual replacement for that one obviously.

There is a group of people who wanted a baby D4S though (D800 body, D4S sensor, D4S AF, 6FPS/8FPS with grip), and I don't think we'll see that given the price point and versatility of the D810. Also the D4S customer base would shrink substantially if they did that (customers would love it but Nikon shareholders may not haha).

That's my take on it anyway, I welcome the D810 as a replacement for the D700. It will be the "do it all" camera for a huge amount of photographers from wedding to landscape to sport/wildlife and everything in between.



Jun 27, 2014 at 03:18 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


it could be 10 fps, but if the buffer only holds 10 nef's and takes 10 seconds to refresh, those stats dont mean its better imo.

need to use it and see how it performs.

looks good on paper tho



Jun 27, 2014 at 03:25 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


JeffAUSTIN wrote:
it could be 10 fps, but if the buffer only holds 10 nef's and takes 10 seconds to refresh, those stats dont mean its better imo.

need to use it and see how it performs.

looks good on paper tho


Buffer is very impressive, no worries there:

FF JPEG: 100, any size

FF RAW: 23 images in 14 bit uncompressed NEF, up to 58 images in 12 bit compressed NEF. What most people shoot (14 bit lossless compressed NEF) will be somewhere in between.

DX RAW: 46 images in 14 bit uncompressed NEF, 100 images in 12 bit compressed.

sRAW is the same file size as a 12 bit compressed NEF, so there is little reason to not just do that. sRAW buffer is much smaller than the 12 but compressed NEF buffer (18), presumably because it has to cook the file.



Jun 27, 2014 at 03:33 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


I'll say maybe. I really hope it has the option for sNEF files. Editing 36mp files from my family vacation are getting annoying. I'd love 12-16.


Jun 27, 2014 at 03:40 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


BenV wrote:
I'll say maybe. I really hope it has the option for sNEF files. Editing 36mp files from my family vacation are getting annoying. I'd love 12-16.


It does have sRAW, but few people are going to use them. Compared to a 12 bit compressed NEF, they are exactly the same file size, and only give you 1/3 the buffer (18 vs 58). They are also a cooked image and not an actual RAW file the way most people perceive them. sRAW is an uncompressed 9MP cooked image, which I don't know why you would pick over a 36MP 12 bit compressed NEF with the same file size.

If you are having trouble with 36MP files I would suggest even a modest PC upgrade. It does not cost a lot these days for ample storage and a PC that will rip through D800 files like nothing. They load about 2 seconds slower than my D300 files, so at the end of the day the difference is very minimal unless you're using some pretty old hardware.

The only way to get 15MP or 25MP files is to use DX or 1.2 crop modes, respectively, or the cooked sRAW (9MP).

Edited on Jun 27, 2014 at 04:46 PM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2014 at 03:52 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


the closest thing to a d700 upgrade is a Df, imo.


Jun 27, 2014 at 04:10 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


I am still really, really happy with my d700. anything more than the d700 isnt really overkill, but not especially needed for what I do. seeing how the d700 was a 2 grand+ discount off the top of line d3, wheres the discount on what the d810 is? nikon doesnt have a better product at 36mp so I guess its not even close


Jun 27, 2014 at 05:05 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


Diavolo wrote:
The size is roughly the same and it's a tad lighter than the D700. With 6fps at 25.1 megapixels (1.2x mode) and 7fps at 15.4 megapixels (DX mode) the FPS is there. We know the ISO and dynamic range is there. Is this finally the camera we can officially say is a replacement for the D700 or are there other features missing?


It's no more a D700 replacement than the D800 or D800e are/were. The D800(e) improved upon the D700 in so many ways and the D810 just adds more features on top of these.



Jun 27, 2014 at 05:53 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


Why do we need a D700 replacement?


Jun 27, 2014 at 06:06 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


fsiagian wrote:
Why do we need a D700 replacement?

thats a very good question.



Jun 27, 2014 at 06:15 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


the D700 was truly a D3 in a small body with only very minor differences.

if "D700 replacement" means a D4 in a small body, it doesn't exist, and it almost certainly won't. despite the Df sharing the sensor, it's still miles from the D4 in other areas.

if "D700 replacement" means a really fantastic small body FX dslr from Nikon, then we now have several of them. The D600, D610, D800, D800E, D810, and Df all fit that description very well and are all an upgrade from the D700.

if "D700 replacement" means, "damnit Nikon, make exactly the camera I personally want you to make", you'll never be happy.



Jun 27, 2014 at 07:02 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


It's close, but 5FPS does not work for me in 2014-2015. I suppose it will work for some people.

EBH



Jun 27, 2014 at 08:46 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


A d700 replacement to me would be a <$3,000 D4 without a grip and an optional one if you wanted it. I'd also like it without video. And no, not a DF.


Jun 27, 2014 at 09:02 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


+1 Brett


There are cameras out here that fit the bill in one way or the other to cover no 'D750' (Dx10 reserved for same pixel count upgrades)

Remember when everyone was saying.... "wish we had a small bodied d300 type camera with 12MP Fx D3 sensor.... that would be awesome"

The specs may vary slightly but it would be fair to say there's enough basic definition of what the camera would be - and I think we'll all know if the D700 were ever 'truly' replaced.

Guessing it will probably never happen. Plenty more things to worry about (not that it will stop me wishing )



Jun 27, 2014 at 10:48 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Is the D810 finally the D700 replacement?


There wouldn't be a D300 or D700 replacement ever because they are both 12MP. If there is anything other than 12MP they wouldn't be call a D3xx or D7xx.
And all future products will never be able to fulfill every customer because each have different needs. Just look at this short thread and you will see the diverse opinions of a D700 replacement.



Jun 27, 2014 at 11:24 PM
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