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Nice! Those are actually better charts than the 24-70 f/4 IS has!

The one thing is WHY did they have to ape Nikon and stop it at 35mm too? The MTF still look great at 35mm so I wonder if they could have allowed it to just keep extending more (which can't hurt image quality at all over 16-35) and get at least 40mm.

I mean seriously, the MTF at 35mm are far better than the 16-35 at 35mm or 17-40 at 40mm so why on earth did they not let you just keep extending it? I note the old rumors had it pegged as 16-50 IS.

Was something in marketing afraid someone might buy this alone and not bother with either a 24-105/24-70 f/4 IS/24-70 II 2.8 too?? grrrrrrrrrrrrrr (of course now some will just add a 50 1.8 IS for way less money )

Still looks to be awesome, but the 35mm chop is a pain. It would be be nice to get away with it the times you don't want to lug three lenses along. 35mm is sooooooo borderline. But it is possible. And at least we are at 22MP so you can crop some. I did for a while squeak by with 24mm + 70-200/300L at times. But for the zoom + 300 prime it becomes dicier, etc.

I guess I will keep my 24-70 II 2.8 and sell the 24-70 f/4 IS and Samyang 14mm (although 14mm is definitely wider than 16mm....) and buy this 16-40 IS, oops darn I meant 16-35 IS.

But I fail to see why they didn't let it extend out more for 40-45mm . (I suppose there is a slight change that the way internal elements have to slide one might hit if it had to go much beyond 35mm??)

But the pricing isn't as scary as feared (so I bet it will sell a lot even despite the 35mm nastiness) and the MTF look good. Much better than the the 16-35 2.8 II and 17-40L and even better than for the 24-70 f/4 IS!! Nicely done in with those aspects.


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May 13, 2014 at 06:33 AM
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Still, pretty impressive. If it lives up to the MTF is could really be something. Pretty exciting lens.

Interesting that the 24-70 f/4 IS actually came in at higher MSRP.



May 13, 2014 at 06:41 AM
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stanj wrote:
I preordered one too. Of course the most likely companion this lens would be used with is the 24-70mk2, at which point it would require two different filters in the bag, or an adapter (and then likely no hood). Argh.


In some ways it is good though. I already have some 77mm filters too since 82mm used to be unheard of. Now I don't have to do a real mess of lens swapping AND filter swapping dance. Just 77mm on the one and 82mm on the other and no need to swap filters back and forth non-stop too (which would really get to be a drag; and yeah you could buy a second set of 82mm, but.... man those are expensive so not so much).

Actually it's great. 77mm go on the 16-35 IS, 82mm go on the 24-70 II 2.8 and 67mm go on the 70-300L (and macro) .

(The macro on the 24-70 f/4 IS is handy at times (not often do I bother to lug the 100mm around on hikes), but oh well (much of the time I took the 24-70 2.8 II instead anyway).)



May 13, 2014 at 06:53 AM
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Very interested in this!


May 13, 2014 at 07:13 AM
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Do you guess there will be 16-35 f2.8 with much improved performance, something similar to the 24-70II performance and weight also?
because if not I will buy 16-35IS since it mostly will be used for landscape, but 2.8 with reasonable weight would be more practical.



May 13, 2014 at 07:28 AM
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RobDickinson wrote:
Very interested in this!



Yup, it should be an interesting couple of months as the reviews come out.



May 13, 2014 at 07:38 AM
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mohamed alfari wrote:
Do you guess there will be 16-35 f2.8 with much improved performance, something similar to the 24-70II performance and weight also?
because if not I will buy 16-35IS since it mostly will be used for landscape, but 2.8 with reasonable weight would be more practical.


I wouldn't be surprised to see something like a 14-24/2.8 style lens replace the 16-35/2.8 II. With newer cameras performing better at higher ISOs, f/4, especially in a wide lens, isn't the handicap it used to be. Canon could also keep the current 2.8 in the lineup alongside a 14-24.

I have the 16-35/2.8 II and rarely shoot it wide open anyway (have had a lot of problems with it and quite unhappy with its edge/corner performance), therefore I'm quite interested in this lens if it lives up to the MTFs.

I was also interested in the 24-70/4 when it was announced because I just can't convince myself I want to lug around the huge 2.8 version. But the f/4 was one of the few recent Canon lenses that I felt was underwhelming. At least from my tests with it, images felt kind of dull and left me wanting.

Having recently gone full frame, I'll agree a 16-50, or even an 18/20-50 would have really intrigued me a lot, as that's roughly what the 16-35 was on APS-H. Now I find 35mm a bit too wide sometimes.

One thing that bothers me about the MTFs is the massive divergence of the higher lp/mm sagittal and tangential plots at 16mm, but it does look better than the 2.8 II, and nice to see that the 35mm end is very promising too.



May 13, 2014 at 08:25 AM
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I've been very happy with my Tokina 16-28 f/2.8. But it's bulky and heavy. For my main usage a state of the art IS is worth more than an extra stop. Price seems reasonable too. I will wait for the reviews and I may consider to replace the Tokina's next year, by that time hopefully the price may drop a bit too


May 13, 2014 at 08:35 AM
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so 1200 for a 16-35 f4 when one can get a 17-40 f4 for half the price...way to much Canon as usual,you can find a 16-35 f2.8 for under 1200. Don't really need IS at this F/L.

The price should be more like 799-899



May 13, 2014 at 11:07 AM
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Why do people moan about the price?? we all know a few months after release they will be a lot cheaper. its the same for every canon camera/lens release.


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because it isn't a leap by much over a 17-40, IS isn't a need for many and is 'IS" worth the 40 percent extra in this F/L? don't think so,would you see a difference between this lens and a 16-35 f2.8 and or a 17-40f4? not enough for many.

BTW Why does Canon feel the need to put "IS" in every NEW lens? why not a non 'IS" version at the price point of a 17-40 and discontinue that lens"



May 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
so 1200 for a 16-35 f4 when one can get a 17-40 f4 for half the price...way to much Canon as usual,you can find a 16-35 f2.8 for under 1200. Don't really need IS at this F/L.

The price should be more like 799-899


I dont get that .

just looked at the canon site and the price for the 17-40 is $839 .
now you may be able to get it for $600 or so but thats a 'street' price so the comparison your making is apples v oranges . (and the apples are old

I have no doubt that after a while the new one will come down to below $1000



May 13, 2014 at 11:33 AM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
BTW Why does Canon feel the need to put "IS" in every NEW lens? why not a non 'IS" version at the price point of a 17-40 and discontinue that lens"


IS in a lens like this is much more useful than pure speed .
there are many times when slower shutter speeds handheld . there are lots of places (like churches etc) where tripods are not permitted .

you should be able to get a 16mm with 3-4 stop is down to some pretty slow shutter speeds .

and by the way it could well be a big 'leap' over a 17-40 and 16-35 2.8 . both of which are some of the most complained about lenses when compared to the opposition .



May 13, 2014 at 11:38 AM
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Looks to be an incredible lens. Pre-ordered my copy. Price was quite a bit lower than I expected. I was confident that they would price it at $1699 or something. $1199 is practically a bargain!

The MTF charts look excellent. The 16-35 f/4 IS looks to perform better wide open than the 17-40 and 16-35 II stopped down. Edges and corners significantly improved and center sharpness higher as well.

The IS will be interesting... Not really needed, but will be nice. If it works to just 3-stops consistently, can hand-hold down to 1/2 second. I expect maybe 2-stops though at best... This is based on my experience with the 35mm f/2 IS, which below about 1/10 my keeper rate tanked with the IS...

While a f/2.8 is in the pipeline most likely, if at 14mm or so it likely wont accept filters. It will also be at least 2x the price. I did not think the f/2.8 was worth it with the 16-35 II and went back to the 17-40, this will be a great addition. Can't wait for it.



May 13, 2014 at 11:47 AM
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Preordered.

My 17-40L is my vacation workhorse lens on my 6D. I'm fine with the price as I know this thing will get a ton of usage from me. I've always been happy with the 17-40L, but that extra 1mm and improved optics are tough to pass up.




May 13, 2014 at 11:53 AM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
so 1200 for a 16-35 f4 when one can get a 17-40 f4 for half the price...way to much Canon as usual,you can find a 16-35 f2.8 for under 1200. Don't really need IS at this F/L.

The price should be more like 799-899


It's Taken 11 years for it to get to that price, the 17-40 f4 Was 120,000 Yen ($1172) at release back in 2003:

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/lens/ef/data/wide_zoom/ef_17~40_4l_usm.html





May 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM
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It is worth noting that Canons MTF charts are " theoretical". I am however exited about this lens and now am pondering the old 2.8 vs IS debate in my head.


May 13, 2014 at 12:13 PM
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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · Announced: EF 16-35mm f/4L IS and EF-S 10-18mm lenses


This lens looks quite interesting. If I didn't already have and need f2.8 I'd get this one. I do wish it was a bit wider, perhaps to 14mm. I still think a 14-24 f4.0 lens would be great for landscape though I'm sure star shooters would prefer f2.8.


May 13, 2014 at 12:22 PM
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I am confused that they would sell such a "novelty" lens on the ultra wide side for only $300!


May 13, 2014 at 12:26 PM
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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · Announced: EF 16-35mm f/4L IS and EF-S 10-18mm lenses


The new EF-S 10-18 IS is about the same size as the EF-S 18-55 IS STM and much smaller than the EF-S 10-22, here it is on the Camera Size website:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#99.424,99.377,99.22,ha,t

Here is the 17-40 f4 compared to the 16-35 f4 IS and 16-35 f2.8 II:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#312.293,312.425,312.20,ha,t










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