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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


I haven't shot any boys / men lacrosse, not that popular here in Norther California (at least at the college level). My daughter's current boyfriend plays for a local high school and club, got picked up early by a university so I decided that might be a good opportunity to too some men lacrosse.

The game yesterday evening was at a local high school with the type of lighting that we all have learned to love over the years! So I rolled in, pulled in the D4, set the ISO at 10,000 just for fun attached the 400mm F/2.8 (got a few stare from from gallery!) and off we go.

Honestly, I was surprised by the results, I think it's better than my D3s (finally an area where the D4 is better than the D3s!). The trick tho... you gotta shoot tight, because anytime you crop, noise and grain is really going to show. Personally I think that cameras with high pixel counts are making photographers lazy... shoot wide, crop later...

All the photos below have been post processed in LightRoom (white balance, back / white levels, clarity and vibrance) including some level of noise reduction, but the NR wasn't really that necessary. The rest of the processing has actually a lot more impact on the output quality.

Anyways, C&C welcome as always, more here

Denis
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Mar 21, 2014 at 06:46 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Sharpness, color balance, exposure - all excellent. Good stuff.


Mar 21, 2014 at 10:41 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Nice pics. They look great for the high ISO.

I walked past a van this evening that was wrapped with some LAX store/club/etc name-for the life of me, I can't remember the name. But I've seen it before and had kind of hoped it meant that LAX has become more interesting. I did see the Mitty team playing recently. Anyway, back to the D4 show-it's awesome!



Mar 22, 2014 at 01:08 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Very nice!


Mar 22, 2014 at 04:12 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


10.000 O.o' . It doesn't look like that. Great shots.


Mar 22, 2014 at 07:16 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Great looking pictures. I've been taking pictures of my son's lacrosse team this year (D7000 with 70-200 f/2.8). I've been eyeing either D3s or D4 and the 300 or 400 f/2.8. How far were you from the action when you took these pictures? I have field access to the game and I still have to crop most of my pictures due to the focal length.

How would the D3s fare under the lights?

Thanks,
Skip



Mar 25, 2014 at 08:52 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


skipchang wrote:
Great looking pictures. I've been taking pictures of my son's lacrosse team this year (D7000 with 70-200 f/2.8). I've been eyeing either D3s or D4 and the 300 or 400 f/2.8. How far were you from the action when you took these pictures? I have field access to the game and I still have to crop most of my pictures due to the focal length.

How would the D3s fare under the lights?

Thanks,
Skip


Location wise, I was either on the sidelines (10' away is standard) or 5' behind the end line (got a few balls wizzing by me...).

D3s will probably do a much better job than the D7000 (bigger cells on the LCD) at high ISO, but you'll loose the D7000 crop factor (1.5x - so your 70-200mm is effectively a 105-300mm on the D7000) so, as you mention, you'll need a longer lens to get as much reach as you currently do.

As far as the 400mm goes... longer focal length isn't always better... especially for a beginner! On a 400mm the field of view is very small (5 degrees horizontally) which makes it very hard to follow the action, especially when sitting on the sidelines when the action moves across the field of view very rapidly. It's easier from the end zone and the action will move toward / away from you.

Last comment on shooting Lacrosse: you want to be shooting from as close to the ground as possible. This will give you more chance to get a view at the face of the players by shooting under the visors of the helmets.

Finally, as far as D3s goes... I have one for sale. PM me if interested.

Cheers.

Denis
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Mar 25, 2014 at 09:07 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Dennis,

Thanks for the feedback. I don't have enough posting to send you a PM. I sent you an email via your website.

Thanks,
Skip



Mar 26, 2014 at 08:20 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Nice pics


Apr 02, 2014 at 11:37 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Denis,

Here's one of the pictures I recently took at my son's lacrosse game. Any pointers? I have to use my flickr account to post the picture since I don't have enough posting to include pictures.

Thanks,
Skip

[url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/skipchang/13353003993[/url]



Apr 02, 2014 at 10:40 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


skipchang wrote:
Denis,

Here's one of the pictures I recently took at my son's lacrosse game. Any pointers? I have to use my flickr account to post the picture since I don't have enough posting to include pictures.

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/skipchang/13353003993" title="2014-03-21_PC_Lacrosse_vs_ThunderRidge_373 by Skip Chang, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/13353003993_157c6b9bb8.jpg" width="500" height="357" alt="2014-03-21_PC_Lacrosse_vs_ThunderRidge_373"></a>

Thanks,
Skip


I am no Lacrosse expert, but here are a few comments (and with only one picture, which is pretty small too, it's hard to give a lot of pointers):


  1. It looks like you were low enough to show under the helmet visors, that's good!
  2. You could have cropped tighter (in general tighter is better)
  3. Timing wise, two comments:

    1. the dark blue player is a little too close to the white player. And since he is on the foreground this causes the eye to hang on him at first look. A little more separation between the two would allow to viewer's eye to go directly to the white player, which is the one I think you are trying to show here.
    2. The stick net in front of the dark player's face

  4. The guy in the far background is a distraction... and what makes it worst is that he is just standing still, kind of killing the feel of action in the photo.
  5. I like the mountains in the background (Colorado?), but it looks like the horizon is a little tilted... (nitpicking here, but you gotta watch the "horizon police" on the FM Sports forum )
  6. It could also use more post to make the image "pop" more: more contrast, clarity, less black, push a little the shadows, exposure and saturation...


Hope this help.

Denis
www.widgic.com



Apr 02, 2014 at 10:54 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


OK. I'm stumped. I tried many different ways to create a clickable link to the picture and I can't seem to make it work. I copied the shared link from flickr. If I paste the link, this is what I get:

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/skipchang/13353003993" title="2014-03-21_PC_Lacrosse_vs_ThunderRidge_373 by Skip Chang, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/13353003993_157c6b9bb8.jpg" width="500" height="357" alt="2014-03-21_PC_Lacrosse_vs_ThunderRidge_373"></a>

OK. now what?

Thanks,
Skip



Apr 02, 2014 at 10:59 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Thanks Denis.

I haven't done any post processing on the pictures yet. They are just off the camera. Here's the selection from the game I put on my flickr site:

http://flickr.com/gp/skipchang/159204/

I guess I need to spend more time doing some post processing on the pictures. To get the workable FPS on my D7000, I had to shoot in jpeg (large in fine mode). Even with that, I still run out of buffer pretty quick. I really need to look for a better camera.

Thanks,
Skip



Apr 02, 2014 at 11:03 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Denis,

Here's another picture that's cropped tighter.

Your thoughts?

Thanks,
Skip






D7000, ISO 160, f/2.8, 1/1250 at 200mm




Apr 02, 2014 at 11:40 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


skipchang wrote:
Denis,

Here's another picture that's cropped tighter.

Your thoughts?

Thanks,
Skip


Hi Skip:

The first thing that jumps out is that it is soft... It's probably not a shutter speed issue (at 1/250 it should be fine), it's probably not the lens (I assume you'd shooting with a flavor of the 70-200mm F/2.8), so it's either a focus issue (most likely) or your are cropping too much (you are too far and you have to crop too much).

With the D7000 your effective focal length is 300mm, which should give you enough for some good action shots if not full frame, close to it! It's a question of looking at how the game is unfolding, moving around and being patient.

The horizon is off too...

On the plus side, the action looks good, the player fully off the ground gives a great sense of action, his face and eyes are visible and the background is clean! If it wasn't so soft, a good post processing would make it an interesting image.

Denis
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Apr 02, 2014 at 11:53 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Would never had known the iso was that high, pretty solid photos


Apr 03, 2014 at 12:01 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


OK Denis,

I decided to rent the 3Ds from lens rentals.com to see how they will work shooting my kids High School Lacrosse games. The camera is coming in end of next week. The following week, I have 5 games between my son and daughter. This should be a good trial run.

I'll try to implement your pointers. Wish me luck.

Thanks,
Skip



Apr 05, 2014 at 05:43 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Those pics look great for 10,000 ISO! Did you do any noise reduction on them?


Apr 07, 2014 at 02:12 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


Outstanding set...

Chris



Apr 07, 2014 at 05:53 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Boys lacrosse - shooting at 10,000 ISO isn't so bad...


came out great!


Apr 08, 2014 at 05:27 PM





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