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I am done posting here after this, but I will leave this group with the following. The falconer in which this thread started about could sue the owner of the forum for posting or letting slanderish statments of "theft" be posted publicly. It is a liability to this site and the owner. Saying someone is "Stealing owls" and the posting a picture of him without written permission is breaking a couple laws (look it up). You can argue that all you want, but it's the fact of the matter.

There are a lot of emotional finger pointing going on here, but only a few of you actually understand falconry or falconers it seems.

ALSO, please check this site out. The falconer in question also has several rights as a falconer.

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuspast34pacsa_2302.htm



Mar 04, 2014 at 03:42 AM
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I think I am a lot less emotional than you are for espousing your fun sport; I live in a community where the discussion is even among the falconers on what is right and wrong and obviously no one agrees but all are trying to save our wildlife and robbing nests or trapping owls is repugnant to most. Most raptors do have a high mortality rate in the nest because of size difference, that is their nature. A good year of prey means more survive and a leaner year means mortality, but that is how nature works. Oregon has had a crash in jackrabbit populations and so many raptors have had a hard time, but that does not mean falconers can go in and rob nests. Unlike where you are from. we still have a bit of natural balance and do don't require breeding of captive birds to restore the equilibrium.


Mar 04, 2014 at 03:49 AM
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Wow, even lawsuit threat. They are wild birds, leave them be.


Mar 04, 2014 at 03:59 AM
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i too am very fascinated by the sport/hobby/life of falconry. Are there any good books or other resources I can read about it?

Personally I do not have the time for something so involved, but would like to learn more about it.



Mar 04, 2014 at 04:08 AM
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It seems the issue here is the falconer taking a special individual bird that the public values for its unique rarity and beauty in their county. There may be no existing law broken here by the falconer, but there is a moral ethic and respect for the public that has been trespassed. In addition, if the reports of increased visitors to the area are correct, there may be potential economic losses to the community if the owl were captured. Natural resource economists could probably add much more here. The public has every right to speak out to protect their interests over those of the falconer in this case--and to pressure their lawmakers to fix this deficiency in the law--to protect the larger public benefits of this particular snowy owl being left in the wild.


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chris_proctor wrote:
I am done posting here after this, but I will leave this group with the following. The falconer in which this thread started about could sue the owner of the forum for posting or letting slanderish statments of "theft" be posted publicly. It is a liability to this site and the owner. Saying someone is "Stealing owls" and the posting a picture of him without written permission is breaking a couple laws (look it up). You can argue that all you want, but it's the fact of the matter.

There are a lot of emotional finger pointing going on here, but
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For the record, I have nothing against Falconry whatsoever. I think it's legal, ethical, and I've never heard anything negative about those who participate in it. However, the cop in my family says: ". As soon as he trespassed, nothing he did was legal". He was subject to search and arrest.
Just saying.

Al



Mar 04, 2014 at 05:44 AM
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kbarrera wrote:
For the record, I have nothing against Falconry whatsoever. I think it's legal, ethical, and I've never heard anything negative about those who participate in it. However, the cop in my family says: ". As soon as he trespassed, nothing he did was legal". He was subject to search and arrest.
Just saying.

Al

Yes i read the law statement and lawyer speak that is written about the taking or the preventing of taking of wild game in Pa. In no line is the word private land mentioned.All my law experiance tells me that hunting on said land one would need permission from the land owner.Al has hit the nail on the head.Now since the warden did not take such action tells me that the land owner declined to press charges,however once the warden gets on the scene and finds the falconer did something wrong he had every right to take action regardless of what the land owner says,public or private The gentlemen in question had all the papers and permits in order and did not have a problem he then left.Chris you may or may not respond but i know you will read this If in any way this site had an inkling that there could be a lawsuit this thread would not have gotten to the point where i am now.Slander is a very very tough point of law.As far as the photograph is concerned again you are being misled Private property takes presidence here ,you seem well educated and i am sure if pressed you would say that you wrote this in haste . Hell i could find a lawyer to sue you for suggesting that this person could sue,and believe me they are out there .Do you see how screwed up this system has gotten We should just chalk this whole incident up to a misunderstanding and leave it at that I am not sure who said this but i have so so much respect for these words" I MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY BUT I WILL FIGHT TIL THE DEATH FOR YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT" Some strong words for this day and time right? But in 1776 it started a country



Mar 04, 2014 at 06:29 AM
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Pretty disappointed by the lack of respect shown here.

And speaking of hypocrisy:

Snowy owl hounded by photographers until it died-
http://blog.trolettiphoto.com/stop-harassing-exhausted-snowy-owls/

Wildlife photographer stripped of his award after lying about photos
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/20/wolf-wildlife-photographer-award-stripped

Photographers harass lynx and kittens for 6 hours
http://www.catplanet.co.uk/index.php/magazine/articles/593-increase-in-paparazzi-disturbs-wildlife

Wildlife photographer pleads guilty to violating the Endangerd Species Act
http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/osceola-county/wildlife-photographer-pleads-guilty-to-violating-endangered-species-act/24700816?fb_action_ids=501029033341832&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[743815962303355]&action_type_map=[%22og.recommends%22]&action_ref_map=[]

Photographers convicted of distubing Eagles
http://www.birdguides.com/webzine/article.asp?a=3010

Wildlife photographer found guilty of baiting Bighorn sheep
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/big-sky-photographer-convicted-of-illegally-feeding-bighorn-sheep/article_cc8efb09-e415-529e-8ab2-7694461f5284.html

Photographers found guilty of harassing endangered snail darters
http://cfzwatcheroftheskies.blogspot.com/2014/03/endangered-birds-wildlife-photographer.html

Wildlife photographer burnt and concealed 90 stuffed specimens, some of which were rare birds of prey such as hen harriers and short-earedowls. Green was arrested in 1999 for possessing 4,000 wild birds' eggs and 99 taxidermy specimens
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Wildlife+photographer+burnt+rare+stuffed+birds.-a0102767751

Wildlife photographer charged with baiting bears
http://juneauempire.com/stories/101109/sta_503561589.shtml

Owls harassed by photographers drew police action
http://www.fox21news.com/news/story.aspx?id=893946#.UxZnVYX4LBg

Photos of photographers disturbing owls
http://www.thewildbeat.com/2012/02/first-signs-of-snowies/

Photographers cast fake mice to Snowy owl for days on end using up all of their fat reserves
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/homegarden/blogs/246359201.html

Funny thing is, If I took the time, I could find a hundred of these.

I've also done a little research and found that a common practice among competitive photographers is to be the first to get a shot of a rare bird and then attempt to scare the bird away for the area so other photographers can't catch up.

I guess all this proves that all wildlife photographers are bad. Glad I'm more of a falconer than a wildlife photographer. Also too bad that people with similar interests can't cooperate and work together.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0_gzY2k7P0#t=30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAFusrk7JRo




Mar 05, 2014 at 12:18 AM
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Keiththom wrote:
Pretty disappointed by the lack of respect shown here.

And speaking of hypocrisy:

Snowy owl hounded by photographers until it died-
http://blog.trolettiphoto.com/stop-harassing-exhausted-snowy-owls/

etc., ...............................


Keiththom,
You're wrong about the hypocrisy. Members of this forum, and FM in general, are just as quick to criticize their fellow photographers for the kinds of misconduct you document in your citations. Indeed, in previous threads we have recognized that photographers are often prime culprits in harassing wildlife and otherwise harming natural resources--giving the rest of us the responsibility to educate and report our fellow photographers if they do wrong--and stop them from further wrong-doing. If you read through this thread, you will see that most commentators only criticize this particular falconer, not falconers in general. You will also see numerous posts in this whole FM forum lauding falconers and their good work in rehabbing raptors and educating the public about raptors. Be fair.
---John



Mar 05, 2014 at 10:00 PM
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