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Archive 2014 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography

  
 
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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


Grantland wrote:
Those are some great action shots Steve!!!

I am going out to shoot a LAX game tonight. First sports outing in months.

For me . . . I like to shoot at f/2.8 to keep the background blurred.



Great pictures... Number #2 is a foul!



Apr 15, 2014 at 04:37 PM
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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


Have to let go of the D3s. My rental period is coming to an end. Here's some of my observations from the camera.

1. It's heavy. I mean really heavy. Having used D7000 for the past several years, D3s was a bear to lug around and hold for an extended period of time.

2. It may be the excessive usage of the rental, but the AF ON button on the back (I use back focusing all the time) was really sensitive. I would rest my thumb there when I didn't want to focus and it would change focus -- I missed many shots because of this.

3. Picture quality is really amazing. For me, I'm not sure if it's $3,000+ better than my current camera (D7000).

4. My primary sports lens is woefully too short (70-200 f/2.8). I will need to use >300mm with FX camera. My 70-300 f/4-5.6 is fine for daytime. But when the sun goes down and the stadium lights come on, they are too slow for sports.

5. The buffer size is impressive. I was using Lexar 1000x 32GB card and I rarely ran out of buffer space (shooting in Raw).

I've added couple pictures from my son's game.

I have D610 coming in on Monday from lensrental.com I'll check out this pro-sumer version of the FX camera. The controls are almost identical to my D7000. We will see how this camera behaves in comparison to the D3s and my D7000.

Cheers,
Skip













Apr 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM
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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


Much better


Apr 17, 2014 at 11:44 PM
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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


Some advice from a roamer-

In seeing your shots, they appear to be focused properly, with appropriate shutter speeds, yet they still don't 'pop' as being truly focused. I'd suggest experimenting with opening up the lens a stop or two from wide open to see if that improves your shots. If you want real subject isolation, you're going to have to get even better glass, like Sigma's 120-300/2.8 OS | S or Nikon's 300/2.8G VR II.

Also, I think that the D610 will be your camera. It'll provide a whole new level of flexibility in your files, particularly in great light, but also in near-impossible light as well.



Apr 18, 2014 at 01:43 AM
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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


Thanks John for the recommendation.

I was coming to the same conclusion. To really get the isolation I'm looking for, I'm going to have to get a better glass. I love my 70-200 but it's too short. 300 f/2.8 is pretty expensive, even used. For amateur/hobbyist I'm not sure I can justify the cost. I was looking at the 300 f/4 (simply due to price). Does anyone have any experience with this lens for primarily daytime and early evening outdoor sports?

Thanks,
Skip



Apr 18, 2014 at 06:54 AM
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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


I was looking at the 300 f/4 (simply due to price). Does anyone have any experience with this lens for primarily daytime and early evening outdoor sports?

lil bit

D3 300 f4 ISO800 1/500th wide open...It's a real money maker




D700 same exif as above




...reels in FAST wildlife as well, on the D800


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Apr 18, 2014 at 07:30 AM
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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


Great picture. Love the sharpness. I think I know which lens to get next.

Thanks trenchmonkey.



Apr 18, 2014 at 07:36 AM
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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


My pleasure!


Apr 18, 2014 at 07:39 AM
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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


Will,

Stop posting such darn beautiful pictures and making the rest of us look like photographer want-a-be's!

Seriously though, beautiful shots.

Cheers,
Andre



Apr 18, 2014 at 07:42 AM
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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


thanks, buddy!


Apr 18, 2014 at 07:45 AM
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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


The D3s is much bigger and heavier than the D7100. That will become a factor if you are handholding and using a bigger lens. You will start to feel this weight very quickly. Less of a problem if you are using a monopod. For night softball games played under lights I use the Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 VR on the D7100. Focus is lightning fast, and because of the 24mp of the D7100 I can crop like crazy if needed. The images are very clean. Lenses are almost always more important than camera.


Kent in SD

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Apr 18, 2014 at 07:51 AM
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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


Two23 wrote:
The D3s is much bigger and heavier than the D7100. That will become a factor if you are handholding and using a bigger lens. You will start to feel this weight very quickly. Less of a problem if you are using a monopod.

Kent in SD


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Not having "Monkey" arms myself, I use a monopod all the time with my sports setup:

D300 + Grip + L-bracket + 300 f/2.8

A good monopod is worth it's weight in gold. It also helps with low light shots of events like those in a dark church.



Apr 18, 2014 at 07:53 AM
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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


I have done quite well with the D600 shooting hoops. My go to lens is a 50mm f/1.4 shooting around f/2 at around ISO 1600. Center point focus and shoot.

For field sports, I went with the old manual focus 300mm f/2.8 AIS

Manual focus is art form and can be hit and miss... obviously.

The rocket launcher.... errr... I mean 300mm, can be had for a bargain at around $1200 +/-

It's not too bad on a mono pod but still heavy. It's my favorite lens.

A used D600 for about the same price is a good combo.

For daylight shooting I break out the D200. My newspaper prints images kind of crappy anyway. I like the crop factor.

The 300mm on a D600 is about right for minor league baseball. A bit long coupled with a D200.

For soccer and football it goes quite well depending upon field position. The bonus is the f/2.8 and the ability to bump up ISO



Apr 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM
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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


skipchang wrote:
I'm in the same boat as you fivejls. I've been shooting both of my kids in High School Lacrosse this year using D7000 with 70-200/2.8. The lack of buffer space is really killing me -- missing some key shots due to FPS going to nothing.

I've been debating between used D3 or D3s. I went ahead and rented the D3s for next week (5 games between the two kids). The body should be coming in next Monday. I'll let you know how D3s works for Lacrosse.

Cheers,
Skip


Are you using the fastest SD card in your camera to clear the buffer faster. Sandisk has SD cards that read and write at 95 mb/s? They are more expensive, but may be worth it.



Apr 19, 2014 at 07:43 AM
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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


I'm currently using 40MBps card right now. Didn't realize there was a faster card. I'll have to look into that.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Skip



Apr 19, 2014 at 01:56 PM
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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


Some of the other mfr's may even have faster cards than 95 mb/s. I have had much better luck with the Sandisks, however.


Apr 19, 2014 at 02:11 PM
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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


there is the capability of the card to accept data and then there is the capability of the camera send it. do you know what the throughput of the D7100 is?


Apr 19, 2014 at 03:43 PM
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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


I found this great url with the SD card performance:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/camera_wb_multi_page8e34.html?cid=6007-12454

It appears the limiting factor is the camera, not the memory card.

I guess I saved myself some money.

Skip



Apr 19, 2014 at 05:39 PM
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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


sjms wrote:
there is the capability of the card to accept data and then there is the capability of the camera send it. do you know what the throughput of the D7100 is?


I found a site that said that the D 7100 is capable of up to 99MB/s write speed.



Apr 19, 2014 at 05:51 PM
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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · Nikon d610, d7100, or d3s for sports photography


yeah i saw that too. now my D610 which is approx the FF equivalent will buffer a 3-4 shot clip to a a 95MB/s card from sandisk in approx 3-4 sec. that is light on to light off. each 14bit raw image is a 33.5MB. that being said it about 33-34MB/s. it is highly repeatable too.

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